F16 with triple mav isn’t the same as spawn su30 with 6 fire and forget kh 38 followed by 4-6 kills. Die then immediately spawn su34 with 6 MORE kh 38mt fire and forget. Your whole team literally melts…not to mention since last patch I get NO Russia/USA teamup…anyone else have that?
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sacrified 1 plane for another plane that has the same capability if not better ±
agm-65b isnt as good as kh-38mt like mr POC said here
the 65 require you to get to a closer range in order to guarantee kill instead of the kh where you can launch double the effective range of the 65b and still guarantee a kill
If you think it keeps its maneuverability at range then you’ve never played it
The only way the pantsir can hit you at range is with the radar mode
You have to set it to lead mode
Which again
If you’re 10KM away
Just change course the missile won’t be able to correct in time and will miss
And yes the heli change affected the AA’s as well
This was a major change that shook the meta up cause it meant you couldn’t defend against aircraft without countering it with other aircraft
Meaning they could sit back at 10KM and spam AGM’s and KH’s without worry of being hit
Which again we deal with this constantly this is the case
Whereas before that wasn’t the case
And heli missiles and AA missiles fall under the saclos definition in game
They were all changed with that maximum range and maneuverability in mind
If you want the ADATS do compete with the pantsir after 10KM
Provide documentation it has those modes
Submit a report
Get it changed
And there you go
You will have a better AA than the pantsir
Which even now it’s better than the pantsir
A radar mode to allow you to hit people who fly straight isn’t exactly reliable.
I’ll take the mobility of both the AA and the missile itself over just a radar mode any day of the week
except its been a while since they were accepted and no fix
same with other stuff ingame
lemme guess you never try to shoot pass 10km because you miss so many time?
you urself are terrible in the pantsir, you have never play the ADATS, you say ADATS is better than Pantsir which it is not, no spaa ingame are better than Pantsir, everyone knows it except you because you are ignorant to realize it
except in order for the SAM to correctly hit its target you would need radar and tracking
My experience it’s the same.
A missile hitting the roof of the vehicle is the same.
Also it needs to be suggested for American planes to get their ordinance as well
On top of that Russian vehicles also weren’t allowed to have their thermal targeting pods for the longest time so this is also a back and forth
While yes they had the KH-38’s
They didn’t get a thermal imager
Vice Versa
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no actually the pantsir is better than every spaa ingame because russia got a more better modern sam that other nations doesnt have because gaijin model the pantsir first but doesnt give other nation its equivalent
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There is no bias ,just incompetence topped up by old hatred of the west
Thats actually my point…no matter what other nations get russia get something just a bit better performing.
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well i mean im fine with little bias here and there but this? this is too much
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What do they get that’s objectively way better?
The SAM system?
Not objectively better
It gets a radar that allows for lead at long distances
Not useful for the most part since you can literally just change course to avoid it
Everything else about it is awful
Missile speed is the only other benefit
Planes???
Yeah the KH-38 they have going for em
However up until recently you didn’t get a thermal imager unlike nato planes
So you had to get up close or get lucky to spot something in the distance
Tanks??? The only thing they have going for them is the T-90M
It’s the only tank they have rn that’s actually fairly good and doesn’t have too many major drawbacks (there are others but none that hit that sweet spot like the 90M)
Also this game isn’t based in RU it’s Hungarian.
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Meh u could take it with flarak or ito and also it was hella vulanarble to cap
Im not saying it was balanced cuz it still could kh38 tank from 12 km+ but it was tolerable and tbh i berly died to cas in that time like maybe 1/10
Also to note
Since the introduction of the first RU plane with a thermal imager and KH-38’s they increased the amount of SP needed to spawn that stuff in
So yeah even then it had its reign for maybe just a couple weeks
the same arguement that gaijin used to defend themselves against one of the players riot that fail miserably
Gaijin was found in russia and always is, if your company move from one country to another that doesnt mean your company is from the country that you move to
no it IS objectively better than any SAM system that are currently ingame
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T-90M isnt the best, armor wise yes but reverse is mid, the BVM is better since it has better mobility while inherit somewhat same armor
by how much
70 whole sp!
nice now i cannot spawn in anymore, i hate you gaijin
mind you a CAP cost the same as a CAS that has full KH and R-77 loadout
and F-15E cost more to have the same loadout
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1- They do play their own game.
2- @Fanta_3412 Changes are only made if IRL documents substantiate it.
@Oilydischarge
6 frags do not give enough spawn points for a 2nd 972SP spawn.
You need to start with ~1300 SP for the first CAS spawn to get a 2nd CAS spawn, and even then spawning 3 more tanks is more valuable if you got 1300SP in one tank life.
BVM has half the armor of T-90M for marginally better mobility.
@MrBombastic8
Still waiting for SPAA to be added that can deal with F-15E, Su-30, Rafale, Mirage 2000D RMV, Su-34, F-15I, Typhoon, [the ones ITO-90/Pantsir can potentially intercept the missiles of but not hit the aircraft] F-16C, Gripen, F-18C, Tornado GR4 [will test Brimstones again later to see how true this one is], and F-16AM.
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You chose t-90m as example of better…smh…bvm is WAY better than t90m.
eh maybe the little weakspot under the turret ring is why he chose that T-90M is better which hes wrong anyway
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To go over this
If you want realism
And you want nato to be even better than what it is
I’m going to put this into perspective
This means
The SU series gets their base 1.21 TWR at 30% fuel and clean wings
This also means the TWR of all the MiG’s get adjusted as well
This also means they get their proper flight performance
This also means they get their proper load outs too
This also means their missiles track better
This means F-16
F-15
F-18
They lose out in turning performance
F-18 is only capable of 11g maneuvers and is limited to just that due to structural issues
If you want a more realistic game and want bias removed this is what removing the bias is. Cause again, the bias isn’t against nato it’s against Russia
The MiG series have a TWR at 30% of under .6
Base su series is .5 with the 30SM being .41
This was changed due to American air players complaining their plane wasn’t special enough
Which happens time and time again
ahem sources?
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