Dude use your brain for once
I’m not entertaining you lmao
Aw come on man you already entertained me by saying ADATS better than pantsir i wanna more of that kind of joke lol
On par lol
Yeah it is not on par , beside the whole CAS/SPAA. The tank are only good because Gaijin can’t have consistent coding for ammo explode when hit and you lower half unable to aim along with your confirmation biased. CAS are as strong as ever for years , only now you sheeper finally wake up and realise that something should be done about it but not toward the CAS/SPAA problem. Jet top tier even after the Su30SM it is still belong to one of the worst top tier jet that a nation can offer.Russian line up for top tier jet are by far , arguably the worst. The only saving grace is the damn R-77-1 and itself is nothing more than a sidegrade to the AIM-120B and the AF carrying the shit is piss poor.
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Wth is thos bs takes??
I didnt have problem with cas before the kh38 and i played israel so i didnt even had good tt spaa
The su25 with kh38 was annoying but at least its slow and vulnerable to cap and spaa but the su34 with 6 kh38 and r77 was too much
The su30 is even more op and it diffrent role aswell
Also su30 is amazing in arb
Only thing that nato needs is pantsir and kh38 eqivlants
the fact that you said ADATS is better than Pantsir while you dont even have the ADATS is crazy
your Pantsir kd isnt even good either, ig thats why you think ADATS is better than it?
ADATS has good anti tank missiles, anti heli good and require alot and i mean ALOT of skills to use since you cant see your missiles after 3 seconds
the IRST is TERRIBLE, cannot lock any planes when theres a bit of cloud blocking it, the radar is inaccurate when it should be able to have 25km range instead of 10km limit, and the lock range of irst should be 13km instead of absolutely inconsistence 7-8km right now
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This is a bad idea.
what?
do you not want to fight them like everyone else is already
If pantsir equivlants will be added toogether with that it will be ok
I guess we are doing this again
ADATS range is the same as pantsir
Why?
How?
“It’s killed at 15KM how could that be???”
Well hey guess what
When they nerfed the heli ATGMS range they nerfed all saclos guided munitions
The effective range when manually guiding the SACLOS munition is the same across the board.
It’s 10KM before the missile either blows up or loses control. This is the same thing with the pantsir
“You just suck, your KD is trash in it you have no room to talk. You also haven’t explained why I’ve been killed past that range by it so it clearly has that range”
My friend you literally have skill issues
Unlike the ADATS (which if I’m correct the ADATS should have this feature too if not it needs a bug report)
The pantsirs radar guides the missile
IF YOU DIE TO A PANTSIR MISSILE PAST 10KM YOU HAVE ISSUES
you evade
You maneuver
You either are above the 10KM altitude and are perfectly fine
Or you have to get low
Past 10KM the missile cannot maneuver the missile is stuck in 1 singular flight path if you make a sudden directional change it cannot keep up
It will break the tracking
To answer the other question
Yes technically speaking the ADATS is better
That maneuverability is way better to have. If the ADATS got the radar functionality that’d be phenomenal
The IRST is neither here nor there. I try to avoid it so I don’t ping every plane that I’m watching them and guiding a missile at them.
I also don’t play the pantsir in just ground rb
I play it in SRB where you have 4 planes spamming KH-38’s and brimstones right off the bat towards you. I’ve played the pantsir more in a competitive game mode where you die in the first minute than I ever did in ground rb
This is also why the mobility is also just as important. Because unlike regular ground rb SRB is filled with competent players
Again if you’re dying to a pantsir you have skill issues
You don’t know how saclos munitions work in game
I want the weapons to be balanced, but you suggest introducing unbalanced weapons to everyone, from which tankers suffer first and foremost. Of course I don’t want that.
X-38 and AASM NEED TO BE REMOVED FROM THE GAME
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Lol KH-38MT getting another buff
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SM3 was never vulnerable to AAs.
Ain’t no way, i swear devs don’t even play their own game.
the entire arguments goes invalid
why?
because its just plain wrong
But do you also know that SPAA munnitions
are different than Heli munnitions?
The Pantsir still keep its manuverability at range, the “launch range” is the max range that the missile could reach and still be able to manuver, hence the rated range
saying that is like saying to the engineer, your missile is useless after 10km
what a stupid argument
you never play ground sim battle in your Pantsir, like ever because ground sim limit to 10.0 BR
You literally dont even know what you are talking about
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yeah the Pantsir has a coverage range of 20km and around 15km of high effectiveness range which mean that when you spawn in planes instead of going into battle you have to constantly look around and constant manuver to evade pantsir, and thats not even counting the other air platform that might have been up, the AGM-65B has a max range of 23km but the effective range is only good when you are at close range since the missile lose the booster and rely on the path way since it lose 60% of its speed instead of the KH-38mt which after booster run out still has 70% of its speed and high manuverability missile
with double the range and double the effectiveness range
which the ADATS could not lock the KH-38mt pass 3km which mind you 3km distance close up very quick unlike the agm-65b where you could instantly lock after it launch which the ADATS cannot do
your talking shite mate, you dont even know what you are talking about
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irst track doesnt ping plane
you dont know what you are talking about
coming rich from a guy that the entire arguement is “skill issue” and dont even know what they are talking about
how about you reply to Conte Barraca instead of ignoring him because you couldnt convince him your stupid arguement is correct because he knows more than you do and that you know nothing?
F16 with triple mav isn’t the same as spawn su30 with 6 fire and forget kh 38 followed by 4-6 kills. Die then immediately spawn su34 with 6 MORE kh 38mt fire and forget. Your whole team literally melts…not to mention since last patch I get NO Russia/USA teamup…anyone else have that?
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sacrified 1 plane for another plane that has the same capability if not better ±
agm-65b isnt as good as kh-38mt like mr POC said here
the 65 require you to get to a closer range in order to guarantee kill instead of the kh where you can launch double the effective range of the 65b and still guarantee a kill
If you think it keeps its maneuverability at range then you’ve never played it
The only way the pantsir can hit you at range is with the radar mode
You have to set it to lead mode
Which again
If you’re 10KM away
Just change course the missile won’t be able to correct in time and will miss
And yes the heli change affected the AA’s as well
This was a major change that shook the meta up cause it meant you couldn’t defend against aircraft without countering it with other aircraft
Meaning they could sit back at 10KM and spam AGM’s and KH’s without worry of being hit
Which again we deal with this constantly this is the case
Whereas before that wasn’t the case
And heli missiles and AA missiles fall under the saclos definition in game
They were all changed with that maximum range and maneuverability in mind
If you want the ADATS do compete with the pantsir after 10KM
Provide documentation it has those modes
Submit a report
Get it changed
And there you go
You will have a better AA than the pantsir
Which even now it’s better than the pantsir
A radar mode to allow you to hit people who fly straight isn’t exactly reliable.
I’ll take the mobility of both the AA and the missile itself over just a radar mode any day of the week