Was more reference to Quantity of MBTs automatically meaning that nation is “OP” or exceptionally good. I know the leclercs are up there as some of the better tanks. But I’d gladly trade 4 or 5 of the Challenger 2s to have 1 or 2 decently modeled Challenger 2s for example.
Im sure you would be the same with the Leclerc. Youd rather have 2 or 3 decent tanks than a dozen bad ones.
Best anti-helicopter spaa goes to: USA
edit: and UK!
Huh?
Pantsir is better in every way
To helis or planes
1- Hammer.
2- And the SPAA still can’t deal with OP CAS.
3- France, Hammer. 60km launch range vs 40km. Game limitation puts both at 30km for now, and the IR versions are closer to 14km currently.
4- Best air to air missile is definitely not Soviets. AIM-120, Magic 2, PL-8B, etc are all arguably best.
5- Best ground lineup goes to USA: 6 free extremely mobile MBTs firing competitive to meta rounds to choose from vs Soviets 1 mobile MBT with 3BM60, 1 armored MBT with 3BM60, 2 more less mobile 3BM60 carriers, and the rest of the mobile tanks fire 3BM46 which is equivalent to M900.
6- Best helicopter: AH-60.
7- Best CAS: France, USA, Soviets in a 3 way tie.
Autoloader is a worse basket.
Eh… maybe, not necessarily any better than any other SPAA. But you trade that performance for the fact that you cant do anything against fixed wing CAS
ka-52 is most powerful because it can parry enemy missiles (compared to f&f / hellfires and generics that fly in an oblique trajectory), overpowering the SPAA. ADATS’s MIM missiles are great, they fly fast and are untraceable. this means that now, ka-52s cannot detect the adats to retaliate fast enough. you better listen to me, I main ka-52 and I fought every spaa…
for USSR, the adats is absolutely better than anything else. and we only get paired with USA one in ten matches or more. for fixed wing, there’s always the best fox3 of this game
Pantsir beats out the ADATS in literally every single respect.
Fixed wing CAP is problematic because it costs 10x more than an SPAA
I’ve told everyone how ADATS beats the pantsir in taking out helicopters. see →
pantsir missiles expel smoke in the first seconds of their flight. there’s also a tracer present. as soon as the pantsir fires, its location is exposed. also, big target, slow to accelerate, big turret.
Meanwhile a Pantsir can usually just leave their radar on because most RWRs cant detect it.
Can engage 3x incoming missiles whilst engaging the firing heli
Might be slightly weaker vs helis but is 10x stronger vs fixed wing CAS and lets face it, fixed wing CAS is what is actually a threat at top tier.
it’s not the radar that exposes the SPAA. its the tracer and smoke. RWR does not help me find the enemy SPAA at all.
of no significance
thank you for conceding
Might… I still doubt its all that significant of a difference. At least Pantsirs usually kill the Apache the millisecond I spawn in in one.
you don’t know how much I would love it if russia traded the pantsir for adats with UK and USA. it would be much more fun; that’s why I find USSRvUSSR matches exciting. anyway, I don’t think apaches are worth playing, but then again so are the helicopters without vikhrs/atakas. boring
Haha, The ADATS is only usable against helis.
Vs jets it is the weakest top tier SAM by far.
Max range vs a jet is maybe 7km and only if they arent defending
Its basically the 2S6
Also its not, The Apache is one of the weakest top tier helis at the moment, should be more like 11.0
and? you know that MAWS exist in top tier heli right? you listen to it and take action no matter you see missile or not
meanwhile pantsir it takes anything with MAWS or advanced RWR like Rafale and Eurofighter to able to detect it (most don’t)
lol if that can happen i’m sure you’ll regret it later
what next to you? Stromer HVM are best anti heli because it can’t be detonated by poxy fuse and kill heli outright and don’t ping on RWR because of passive radar?
the late march tracer removal has made it the best tool for helicopters, but removed its efficiency against planes (which is why some of them are now asking for the tracer to be brought back). in all honesty, I find the “best fox3 spammer and best heli spaa” combo very deadly. I would greet the tracer (unlikely to happen) with great joy.
It does not matter if an RWR can detect SPAA or not for the following reason: You should be assuming you’re always being tracked while playing CAS to begin with.
SPAA have had undetectable tracking in War Thunder since at least 2019.
I agree. Su-30SM + Su-34 + Ka-52 + Pantsir is an insanely OP combo
Hoping we can finally get upgrades to teh Typhoons CAS power, a decent top tier heli and a decent SPAA at some point
you’re mistaking the action here. I understand you as a defense-oriented helicopter player; someone who plays it safe. I used to engage in far more erratic and risky (but paying) ways…
even before the tracer removal, the adats was the best tool against helicopters (the difference just got 10x bigger) because of the lack of smoke (now, that one swedish spaa also has a smokeless missile, but that one flies far too slow) in addition with great speed and power (and proxy, but that’s rudimentary).
in a lot of matches, I could fly high and instantly counter any spaa: I had to turn off hud as soon as I got the missile warning, and look at the battlefield in search of a tiny red tracer (adats, stormer) or white smoke. with every spaa except the stormer I would just fight the war of attrition (against the stormer I would just dodge and retreat, just like IRL).
I hope you can see how that tactic is not possible against the USA now.
agreed!
edit: grammar
sorry, when I said “best heli spaa” I did not miss a comma there. I just called the ADATS the best spaa against helicopters.