the other day I had 2 hellfires miss a stationary target around 4km away from me, I really dont know how gaijin has messed them up that badly
yeah its just pointless to bring apaches. completely defenseless to other helis and planes, very hard to use against ground targets. Basically as long as you are close to an allied tank or a dead tank, so he cant use lock on cause its constantly switching and you keep movin the apache cant kill you. its dumb af. Similar to ouplaying pars or spike slingers. stand next to dead tank and theres no way it will hit you. one of the only upsides imo is: when it its, it hits hard. in comparison to most other heli launched atgms.
they are only strong if you make it into one early and theres no aa up and you can ripple fire kill 4 or 5 tanks launching a hellfire every 5 seconds.
Especially with how strong cas planes are atm
A proposed package of Swedish origin, GD package barely acheived 20% >600mm
correct it provides min 600 at +30 and the base of 690 over the bulk of the turret volume does not match the figures of the GD export for Sweden in the 90s
1 does, 1 does not.
i said that meaning the abrams armor is decent in game (not sure if fine means correct also? im no a native english speaker). I meant it as it is decent, especially in comparison to a lot of other mbts.
Whether or not it is accurate to irl i cant judge and if it isn’t that should be changed. obviously these changes then would come with an adjusted br if that changes its performance to significantly better than average. and thats subject to the snails mysterious statistics of which i have no access to. same with a possibly buffed leo2whatever the version. Or any other tank.
Buff or correction leads to better performance leads to br adjustment which ofc takes time until these statistics are available which takes time
fine can mean correct, but yeah english can be weird with context stuff
I mean it is inaccurate but yeah would probably need br adjustment especialy if they finaly fix the turret ring and give it its 200-300mm RHA eq there, because then it wouldnt be anywhere near as easy to kill with autocannons
I dont know if time for these statistics is that relevant right now though because all of these have been issues in game for a long time and the statistics for abrams are really low
wtf are you even talking about? What you posted shows worse of the two armors having 50% 600mm coverage
that is exactly what that figure states though as it is showing 600mm protection at 30 degrees offset to one side
they both do, there is absolutely no reason a swedish report would be allowed to have classified US armor figures in it
mhm
No.
Wrong.
show me where that says its a chart for domestic US abrams and not the tank they were thinking about adopting, because there is absolutely no reason for it to be based on a US tank when the report was considering buying one with different armor
lmao
quite literally yes it is stating that the lowest armor provided by the turret cheeks in a 60 degree frontal arc is 600mm which is almost exactly the in game value
protip: angle is not measured in meters squared.
That’s not the GD export package :^)
it is though, I really dont know how you can be stupid enough to think that this is depicting a domestic US M1A2
nope
and even the other image indicates turret cheeks offering 600mm+ at 30 degrees
explain to me why in the swedish governments consideration of purchasing the abrams they would need to have armor values not relevant to the tank they are purchasing
also both of the armor packages in the other image would have been US designed and both were stated to be inferior to the domestic package at the time
It is relevant, Sweden was on the market for MBTs before the US self imposed embargoes on Depleted Uranium armour packages and would display upgrade potential over the non-DU package.
- “svensky skydd” = (Swedish Protection)
- US designedTM
any more flailing and cope?
= package designed for sweden (later was also used in greek trials)
= originally tested package
no it is not as abrams began trials after DU armor was prohibited for export, and that still doesnt explain why the US would allow their clasified armor values to be contained and eventualy publicly published in a swedish report
This was never intended for publication
the arc protection chart is still labelled secret btw
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