Ground Vehicles **PROPOSED** RB battle rating changes

Most maps do have elevation :))

But if you were cresting the hill, I could just barrel, or track you with ease.

But at that point, why wouldn’t I just lower plate you? Or shoot you in the under carriage and kill the whole tank in one shot?

So what is your next point, because I love proving you wrong.

Since they have a working brain, and realize that bringing full ammo just massively increases the probability of being ammo racked from the side (And, apparently, through the turret cheeks) for basically no gain?

For reference, I currently bring 20 rounds of 128mm (15 PzGr 43, 5 of the goofy APHEDS for longer ranges), and 50 75mm rounds (30 HEAT, 20 smoke). I could probably stand to reduce my 75mm allotment a little, but it’s ammo rack is small and out of the way so it’s not a big deal. As a result, my Maus looks like this:

No ammo in the turret means I’m resiliant to damage frontally and while hulldown, and I can angle a good deal of my right side to the enemy without risking a HEATFS round slipping through and hitting something vital. They have to aim very far to the back in order to hit that small stack of 75mm rounds, which most people wouldn’t think to do.

The only vehicles I bring full ammo on are A) Ones so ammo limited that I don’t have a choice and/or B) Ones with such poor survivability that any shot I eat will end up killing me regardless, so there’s no reason not to bring full ammo.

Regardless, @Normandy_Corsair
Said it was very Difficult to pen the cheek with APCR, which it isn’t.

Sure it doesn’t do a whole lot of damage, but it cripples their ability to fire, and you can then track and barrel them.

Then just shoot them with another APCR.

Or shoot them in the side. Dealers choice.

I said that exactly nowhere in this thread.

Precision = difficult.

not unrelated but no not necessarily

T26E6 can technically pen that one weird pixel on the roof of IS6 clearly OP and should be moved up… or it can nicle and dime maus to death with APCR… while maus is looking directly at it…

Clearly OP and needs to go up… it should meet these more and more of them oviously and at the same time you insist shooting cupola, mashingun port is too dificult because it sometimes gets volumetricked.

Nice double standard you have there… its exacly as i called it. before here Russian main insist anything that he cant lolpen without aiming with its main ammo type OP and and the same time calling OP enything that can pen that one weird pixel on the roof of his tank… or give it death of 1000 cuts with APCR

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how are those prototypes iconic? Just curious. I know of them as of WoT classic machinery only.

I dont think IS-6 and T-10A are that good to be an “easy clap”

The more you speak, the less logic you possess clearly.

Especially since I said it’s harder to kill a T26E5 with a IS6 vs the IS6 being killed by a T26E5.

Or do you not comprehend English?

Didn’t have a problem against it in Type 61 with HEAT-FS

Firstly, you have a cupola that’s taller and thus easier to hit than the IS-6’s.

Then you have the hull hatches, which are also easy to hit.

Then the turret ring, which you’ll often hit if you’re aiming for the hull hatches and miss.

Also the machine gun port, obviously.

You can also squeak a round through the LFP corners, though that’s somewhat non obvious in game.

Or you can just throw a round at it’s mantlet at either side of the gun and breach it.

Meanwhile, the T26E5 has to snipe a pixel tall weakspot that is the cupolas. Or pray that the volumetric gods might bless this round and allow it to pass through the weak side of the mantlet.

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You just hope that if you keep repeating that it will seem like the truth…

Lool at your own protection analysis pictures… T26E5 stands no chance frontaly in any real scenario. It has few 1px spots it can pen with perfect aim and range that dont even show on the heatmap thingy.

but lets be fair no one using APHE at this BRs goes frontaly against anything with even a bit of armor its all about staying out of sight untill the other guy shows its side… especially facing the IS family of tanks…

lets show the sides then in simmilar angle you actually might see some green areas on the IS6… if i remember correctly then below the sideskirts at almost perfect 90 degree angle but not too low only thin strip because then its angled under it and bounces to the ground…also need to avoid the wheels and wheel mounts they eat shots.

Continuing the discussion from Vehicles that are in an unbalanced battle ratio:

yes, i can see how USELESS you feel until the DM23 at leo 1a1. I already endured that challenge.

My bad, i was talking about RISE for sure, only the TTS gets both thermals and M774. So its just M735 and ERA at RISE.

one way stabilized gun, with super slow moving turret, with APFSDS that is worse than one on T95E2. Yes, the encounters with 7.0s are in favour of that tank. But is than even an argument? M46 eats 6.0s who meet it, and even basic T-54 is a threat to it when it gets uptiered.

There arent, and that doesnt make sense either as they dont overpefrorm. If anything they are already pretty nerfed.

Yes, but it has better munitions and it doest get eaten with .50 cal. Plus it has more adequate aim angles making it just preferrable. LRF is a good strength tho.

I believe so, yes.

Ideally, but not in that game. SPAA that cant kill tanks (at least until 10.0 where planes begin to spam FNF and long-range munitions) doomed to be useless.

Not the DM33 105 and DM23 120. It has armor against DM23 105, but futhrer penetrate it easilly UFP.
Problem with T-72 is that its garbage tanks that have less mobility, less aim angles and speed, and less survivability. So they instead have some protection and a little overkill cannon for the rank.

I was implying to shoot MBT-70 with APDS that 8.3 japan has.

Naaaah its not usseles brooo, i like the german apds

No problem xd

Tbh that sounds like 8.3 tank xd, remember that the t95 doesnt even have a one war stabilized one, the stabilized gun is always a good advantage for a fast attack

Naaaah the xm800t is not nerfed, it is really good, as i said i even use it at top tier and is such a good tank for rat

Tbh, 90% of the times the object have the advantage,sine u can also tank some shots because of the overpen xD

Aaaaand thats why they should ad good AAA’s for every nation

Ayo, T-72 is really but really good believe me, i love it because is really easy to use, also if a enemy is hiding and he shows the mg u can just load an HE, use the lrf and u will destroy the enemy duento the powerfull HE

Oh,my bad my bad, anyway, tbh the mbt70 is pretty bad, it was irl and also in game,u have good speed and u can move really fast yeh,but u have such a big profile, bad ammo and also u dont have any armour,the kpz70 atleast is a lil bit better with better engine and the best autoloader

I’m pretty sure the 122 is too large to do anything similar to what you mention.

Your best bet is the machine gun port, but that’s trolly in its own way.

Very nice tank.

Well you and I rather skilled players.

Last night me and buddies were playing the hell out of the T29, since the brs seemed to be mostly 7.3 last night.

And I can’t remember what exactly shot me with heat on the front of the turret, where the ammo is, but it didn’t even hurt me.

I think it was a Type 60? The little m50?

The machine gun port is also not particularly trolly. Unlike on the Jumbo, the area immediately around the port is normalized, and quite large. You have to aim for the very edge of the normalized area to get volumetric trollery.

It also doesn’t have the tripled stacked armor (Just 30mm + ~152mm), so you can just aim at the machine gun itself without fear of some nonsense happening.

Would you like to test your theory?

Given that I don’t have an IS-6, that would be impossible. The IS-2s are too weakly armored to stand in for an IS-6, and the IS-3 is too slow. However, I don’t have to, I’ve played the Soviet heavies at that BR since the T26E5 has been added. They’re a tougher target than most, but hardly impenetrable, and the 122mm’s generous filler makes the cupola and hull corner shots much more reliable.

I also don’t think a 1v1 is a particularly useful metric to judge tanks on. Being able to focus solely on a single enemy in a known tank is pretty far removed from how my engagements in ground RB usually go. I almost always engage targets that either don’t know I’m there, or are caught off guard or otherwise at a disadvantage (Just fired, etc). Driving out in front of someone who knows I’m there and is ready to fire is a very risky gamble that I generally don’t tank unless I have to, and thus not a reasonable way to establish relative strengths.

no way bro. Like fr, i dont hate it at 8.0-8.3 but when its 8.7-9.3 its pure suffer.

Well it makes some sense, tho T95E2 has at least better protection than Type69. So its questionable. However its obvioous that stabilized T-54s at the same BR as regular T-54s is funny af for china. But no one claims china bias :(

685s arent that regular at RB so i cant say if its regularly that you overpen them, but hey that sure can happen xD
Still it has worse protection and its not that versatile as 1a1

They have them tho. Its just that killing planes isnt the main targen in Grounds, so if thou cant stand for yourself its bad.

Yeah T-72A was funny grinding to the top with HEs, but later models lack such ability as 2a4s/M1s are not that easy to get kill with HEs.
Still, i also played much on it and i believe that OF-40 and AMX-30 Super are much superior to it in game balance`s way.

Why i dont believe so. It has one big disadvantage that is its APFSDS performance against angles, but it is SUPERIOR mobile, with fast reload and some funny survivability. It also is a trouble for any cannon that shoots APHE and early HEAT. Plus crazilly fast turret. It is basically a polar opposite of t-72A xD
I find it pretty decent tank