Armour is almost as good as M1A1.
Not sure why people think it’s bad.
It should stay at 11.7 or even 12.0.
I don’t think its fair for a mobile 4s reload MBT with good turret armour, gun depression (via suspension controls) to lol-pen any 10.3 / 10.7 NATO MBT.
I remember funny days when teams were infested with Fuji at 11.3 and just lolpenning common vehicles in downtiers like TURMS, 80B, M1 and 2A4.
T-72B3A
12.3 → 12.0
This tank is the T-72B3M with the relikt-side bags removed and ARENA added at a whole 1.0 above it, This makes no sense, Even in the base scenarios APS is not worth a 1.0 br jump
M1A2 and M1A1 HC
12.0 → 12.3
This thing has the same performance as several 12.3 and 12.7 tanks, It has fast reload, good armor, Great mobility and a top tier dart
IPM1
11.3 → 11.7
Ditto reasons as M1A2, Incredible performance for their br that just puts all other same br tanks to shame
BMPT, BMPT-72
11.3 → 12.0
This thing is plain disgusting at its br, Broken survivability and firepower
VT4
12.3 → 12.0
Ive been scratching my head in confusion ever since this thing went up in battlerating to 12.3 What makes this thing a 12.3 tank?
You know, I’m amazed this thread still hasn’t been combined with the pinned BR thread.
Well, it’s a bit different. Also may have been around longer.
Yeah, look at the Type 87 RCV at 9.0
25mm gun with much less pen, no ERA and no Optical Detection or Laser Rangefinder.
reread the post
only the dogpoo t72 should go down
BR thread has been a thing forever, this definitely isn’t older. Normally all “Change BR For X” gets merged into it.
M1296 “Dragoon” 9.7 → 9.0
Reason: being a weaker in firepower Stryker, and having abysmal Power to weight, it’s a bit surprising that this was added to the game as an 9.7, it is overly difficult to play even for a stock grinded tank. It has no business meeting 10.7s and barely even 10.3s. In a perfect world, it should be a 9.0 and can only meet 8.3s
Imo the EFV and Dragoon should both be a full 1.0 lower than they are right now.
In a rare instance of agreeing with both of you, I’d say just about every 30mm Bushmaster equipped vehicle is 0.3-1.0 BR higher than it should be.
Who is this person at Gaijin who values that gun so highly that they’ll put it at the absurd tiers it’s ended up at?
I’m not suprised why Gaijin added it at 9.7 since all the similarly armed vehicles are there, but holy it’s engine is so damn bad.
I think 9.0 would be fine if the Badger also moves down to 8.7. It shouldn’t be the same BR as the M1296.
Why on earth would the EFV become a 8.3?
EFV could maybe be 9.0, but it is actually better than the Stryker (Dragoon) in almost every way.
You can do some crazy crap with that thing in the water.
I’m just worried about them all going against lightly skinned 8.0s.
Isn’t the badge technically faster? Idk I haven’t used it.
It’s more mobile yes, but it has a crewed turret and it’s 30mm has half the RoF (100 rounds/min is truely a pain for the 30mm)
Idk, I feel like setting them equal is more ideal initially, If it continues to preform worse after a change, then it it would be okay to change
ARCADE BATTLE - Chieftain MK10 and 900 must UP on 9.3!! this is not 9.0. look on trash T72A… this is absolut trash but on 9.3! Chieftain must too up on 9.3!! REALISTIC - HSTV and RDF is cancer!! must UP on 12.7! and in simulator is mega OP!!! in simulator he play vs 10.3. this is crazy!!! BMPT is in TOP TIER in simulator but his cancer RDF HSTV is not in toptier in simulator BUT WHY?? and 2S38 must too up on 11!! and sherman M4A3(105) is not 3.0!!! must on 3.7!!! heat is very very strong!! i play with matilda nonstop versus sherman 105mm and this is unplayable!! he must UP on 3.7 and pz IV G and F2 must too up on 3.7!!! he have OP GUN!
it’s fine simply because it’s drone has thermals
Cause it sucks. It can’t fire backwards or sideways, it’s massive, it’s not particularly fast, its still missing spall liners, it’s still missing target tracking a fuse shells. It can’t even reliably side pen a large portion of targets it faces in uptiers.
For comparison, the M3 Bradley at 8.3 has TOW missiles, can fire backwards and sideways, has better survivability, it’s smaller (the EFV is nearly as big as a Maus btw), and EVEN THEN the M3 Bradley is pretty much average for 8.3.