Ground Vehicles **PROPOSED** RB battle rating changes

how are those prototypes iconic? Just curious. I know of them as of WoT classic machinery only.

I dont think IS-6 and T-10A are that good to be an “easy clap”

The more you speak, the less logic you possess clearly.

Especially since I said it’s harder to kill a T26E5 with a IS6 vs the IS6 being killed by a T26E5.

Or do you not comprehend English?

Didn’t have a problem against it in Type 61 with HEAT-FS

Firstly, you have a cupola that’s taller and thus easier to hit than the IS-6’s.

Then you have the hull hatches, which are also easy to hit.

Then the turret ring, which you’ll often hit if you’re aiming for the hull hatches and miss.

Also the machine gun port, obviously.

You can also squeak a round through the LFP corners, though that’s somewhat non obvious in game.

Or you can just throw a round at it’s mantlet at either side of the gun and breach it.

Meanwhile, the T26E5 has to snipe a pixel tall weakspot that is the cupolas. Or pray that the volumetric gods might bless this round and allow it to pass through the weak side of the mantlet.

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You just hope that if you keep repeating that it will seem like the truth…

Lool at your own protection analysis pictures… T26E5 stands no chance frontaly in any real scenario. It has few 1px spots it can pen with perfect aim and range that dont even show on the heatmap thingy.

but lets be fair no one using APHE at this BRs goes frontaly against anything with even a bit of armor its all about staying out of sight untill the other guy shows its side… especially facing the IS family of tanks…

lets show the sides then in simmilar angle you actually might see some green areas on the IS6… if i remember correctly then below the sideskirts at almost perfect 90 degree angle but not too low only thin strip because then its angled under it and bounces to the ground…also need to avoid the wheels and wheel mounts they eat shots.

Continuing the discussion from Vehicles that are in an unbalanced battle ratio:

yes, i can see how USELESS you feel until the DM23 at leo 1a1. I already endured that challenge.

My bad, i was talking about RISE for sure, only the TTS gets both thermals and M774. So its just M735 and ERA at RISE.

one way stabilized gun, with super slow moving turret, with APFSDS that is worse than one on T95E2. Yes, the encounters with 7.0s are in favour of that tank. But is than even an argument? M46 eats 6.0s who meet it, and even basic T-54 is a threat to it when it gets uptiered.

There arent, and that doesnt make sense either as they dont overpefrorm. If anything they are already pretty nerfed.

Yes, but it has better munitions and it doest get eaten with .50 cal. Plus it has more adequate aim angles making it just preferrable. LRF is a good strength tho.

I believe so, yes.

Ideally, but not in that game. SPAA that cant kill tanks (at least until 10.0 where planes begin to spam FNF and long-range munitions) doomed to be useless.

Not the DM33 105 and DM23 120. It has armor against DM23 105, but futhrer penetrate it easilly UFP.
Problem with T-72 is that its garbage tanks that have less mobility, less aim angles and speed, and less survivability. So they instead have some protection and a little overkill cannon for the rank.

I was implying to shoot MBT-70 with APDS that 8.3 japan has.

Naaaah its not usseles brooo, i like the german apds

No problem xd

Tbh that sounds like 8.3 tank xd, remember that the t95 doesnt even have a one war stabilized one, the stabilized gun is always a good advantage for a fast attack

Naaaah the xm800t is not nerfed, it is really good, as i said i even use it at top tier and is such a good tank for rat

Tbh, 90% of the times the object have the advantage,sine u can also tank some shots because of the overpen xD

Aaaaand thats why they should ad good AAA’s for every nation

Ayo, T-72 is really but really good believe me, i love it because is really easy to use, also if a enemy is hiding and he shows the mg u can just load an HE, use the lrf and u will destroy the enemy duento the powerfull HE

Oh,my bad my bad, anyway, tbh the mbt70 is pretty bad, it was irl and also in game,u have good speed and u can move really fast yeh,but u have such a big profile, bad ammo and also u dont have any armour,the kpz70 atleast is a lil bit better with better engine and the best autoloader

I’m pretty sure the 122 is too large to do anything similar to what you mention.

Your best bet is the machine gun port, but that’s trolly in its own way.

Very nice tank.

Well you and I rather skilled players.

Last night me and buddies were playing the hell out of the T29, since the brs seemed to be mostly 7.3 last night.

And I can’t remember what exactly shot me with heat on the front of the turret, where the ammo is, but it didn’t even hurt me.

I think it was a Type 60? The little m50?

The machine gun port is also not particularly trolly. Unlike on the Jumbo, the area immediately around the port is normalized, and quite large. You have to aim for the very edge of the normalized area to get volumetric trollery.

It also doesn’t have the tripled stacked armor (Just 30mm + ~152mm), so you can just aim at the machine gun itself without fear of some nonsense happening.

Would you like to test your theory?

Given that I don’t have an IS-6, that would be impossible. The IS-2s are too weakly armored to stand in for an IS-6, and the IS-3 is too slow. However, I don’t have to, I’ve played the Soviet heavies at that BR since the T26E5 has been added. They’re a tougher target than most, but hardly impenetrable, and the 122mm’s generous filler makes the cupola and hull corner shots much more reliable.

I also don’t think a 1v1 is a particularly useful metric to judge tanks on. Being able to focus solely on a single enemy in a known tank is pretty far removed from how my engagements in ground RB usually go. I almost always engage targets that either don’t know I’m there, or are caught off guard or otherwise at a disadvantage (Just fired, etc). Driving out in front of someone who knows I’m there and is ready to fire is a very risky gamble that I generally don’t tank unless I have to, and thus not a reasonable way to establish relative strengths.

no way bro. Like fr, i dont hate it at 8.0-8.3 but when its 8.7-9.3 its pure suffer.

Well it makes some sense, tho T95E2 has at least better protection than Type69. So its questionable. However its obvioous that stabilized T-54s at the same BR as regular T-54s is funny af for china. But no one claims china bias :(

685s arent that regular at RB so i cant say if its regularly that you overpen them, but hey that sure can happen xD
Still it has worse protection and its not that versatile as 1a1

They have them tho. Its just that killing planes isnt the main targen in Grounds, so if thou cant stand for yourself its bad.

Yeah T-72A was funny grinding to the top with HEs, but later models lack such ability as 2a4s/M1s are not that easy to get kill with HEs.
Still, i also played much on it and i believe that OF-40 and AMX-30 Super are much superior to it in game balance`s way.

Why i dont believe so. It has one big disadvantage that is its APFSDS performance against angles, but it is SUPERIOR mobile, with fast reload and some funny survivability. It also is a trouble for any cannon that shoots APHE and early HEAT. Plus crazilly fast turret. It is basically a polar opposite of t-72A xD
I find it pretty decent tank

All Type 90s should not have to face 12.7, and should in fact be lower in BR than 11.7, especially because it only gets JM33, with 480mm of pen. Oh and don’t forget that the TK-XP is at 12.0, with pretty much the exact same stats as the Type 90, just with gen 3 thermals (Type 90s get gen 1) and still the same JM33. Also, Type 81 is heavily overtiered (yes, it has an insane missile but also no radar).

They were fine at 11.3 IMHO. They have really good reload, an okay shot, but their armor isn’t that great and the thermals suck as does their zoom.

They’re 12.0 material every day of the week, if not 12.3

They’re the fastest mbt.
They’re the fastest firing mbt.
They have great zoom.

And 480mm pen is enough to deal with everything easily except the Leo2a7s.

They have virtually no zoom.
Their armor is barely even there because GJN doesn’t believe they have armor.
They’re not that fast.
Their main shot is “not enough to deal with everything” and especially in frontal engagements is quite lacking.

Seriously, the type of argumentation you engage in constantly could be used to argue why the 2s38 should be 13.0. It’s dishonest, leaves out weaknesses and downsides, and overexaggerates strengths. Hell you could use it to argue that some WW2 stuff should be at that BR because “they have enough pen to pixel shot some modern MBTs from the side.”

Type 90s have absolutely terrible zoom.

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is that even a downside?
I struggle lot with Leopard 1 because of useless overzoomed optics, so having no zoom seems better to me than too much zoom. Especially on city maps

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Type 90 has base 9X zoom, so far too much actually. For reference, Leo 1 is 8x iirc.

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