I don’t know what you think but now with the implementation of the Su30 the situation in Ground is become even worse than before. If before with the SU34 it was difficult to break them down, now with the Su30 the AAs are almost useless, since the CAS manages to launch the missile shoot and forget, and to run in defense making the games especially in the open field and without shelter, a free kill for these planes. I have never complained about the CAS in recent years, apart from the period of the spam of the Ka-50/52 indestructible, now with the advent of the Su-30 playing in ground it is even worse, frustrating and totally in favor of those who use those means, which literally has free killings. Gaijin must absolutely do something to rebalance the situation.
I agree; F-15E, F-16C, Rafale, Mirage 2000D RMV, Su-30SM, and Su-34 make ground battles difficult.
To a lesser extent so do Su-25SM3, Gripen, F-16AM, etc.
This has been occurring since late 2022 and Gaijin are adding new SPAA this year to catch up, as no SPAA in-game is capable of dealing with these aircraft currently when both SPAA and CAS are of equal skill.
What I find disconcerting, is that Gaijin has not thought of giving players the counterparty together with these new CAS, it is a job done in half, and they know it because they know that there is this disparity, and they had 2 ways to do things, the first was to do it well by waiting for it and publishing a half cas with a respective spaa capable of contrasting it, the second method was the current one, that is to do a job in half,
As if there was already not discontent enough for various reasons, and for too many years, for many other things, because seeing a plane and not being able to hit him because you know that your missile will not even reach it and in the meantime its missile will affect you at times is not a correct way to make updates to a competitive game that does not make you compete, but only die for a desired disparity, because that of Gaijin is not an unpleasant disparity. fatality, but a desired choice.
@_Magic_Mitch
Here’s some perspective:
As x developer they see CAS die to SPAA constantly in their data they collect in all matches.
CAS dies to ADATS, TOR, and obviously Pantsir… for YEARS.
Only in 2024 after many of us force taught CAS tactics to CAS players did those stats FINALLY indicate that CAS is unkillable.
That’s how OP CAS is, it’s so OP that you could play brainlessly for YEARS with impunity even with Pantsir in the game, and in the data it’s considered balanced.
CAS being OP was never Gaijin’s intention, they thought it wasn’t OP cause the data showed CAS dying to SPAA throughout all of 2023.
Adding equivalent SPAAs and Air-to-Ground missiles equivalent to KH38MT would be more than enough, but adding the best of the best to one single nation is absurd and should stop.
Don’t mention ADATS again Alvis, it’s the worst Top Tier SPAA in the game.
There are already 2 missiles equal or superior to Kh-38: Hammer, which is superior, and PGM_3.
In ground battles until new SPAA is added, AGM-65 is as OP.
And yet ten-thousands of CAS planes died to it throughout 2023 and 2024, including Su-34 players.
Cause I tried to tell people since 2023: ALL AGM CAS is unkillable, not just the new ones.
My God, you compared ADATS with Pansir C1?
Lol you can’t even see your own missile now
No one did, unless you’re about to.
Outside of ADATS and Pantsir both being useless in ground battles against non-helicopters, they’re different in other aspects.
Where did you get this data?
Dumb players that fly straight that’s it, ADATS is THE worst SPAA that’s it.
Datamine, spreadsheets, and the game itself.
Unless you mean the stupidly conservative claim of ten-thousands when in reality it could very well be millions of CAS planes dying to ADATS since November 2022.
I tried to play ADATS against Su-34, it’s useless. X-38 flies at you and you don’t even see who launched it, and even if you see what’s the point if Su-34 launches missile outside of ADATS capabilities. ADATS also has very slow rackets and they will never catch up with a plane that flies to the side.
just give us ground only mode for god sake
Yes. Objectively speaking, ALL SPAA can’t kill CAS of equal or greater skill.
Have you ever played for ADATS?
man are you hearing anyone? the Pantsir can eat f-15 and rafale and literally any planes except their own planes
the ito, roland, adats cannot do anything against su-30 or su-34(unless the pilot has skill issue)
cas in general is a problem because some people boot into ground realistic to die 3 times from kh-38mt
theres always an imbalance in the game, when im on russia team 80/20 game i won blatantly because 3 guys on my team have su30/34
and when im on the opposite side my entire team get eaten by su30/34
you dont need skill play them, unlike the strategy you gave me on the f-15e or the f-4e
you have to plan a strat on other plane, on the su30/34 you jusy fly high, lock 6 and go back restock
Pantsir is the only SPAA to counter KH38MT, but guess what they’re on the same team, ADATS can’t even be used right now, i just J out when i see a Su-34 launching.
I don’t need to play ADATS to know that it’s useless.
@MrBombastic8
Get in your Pantsir/ADATS/whatever you want and I’ll get in an F-15E and we’ll see who has more deaths at the end of 30 minutes.
You defend Pantsir more than the Russians.
@_Ladies_Man_217
Pantsir is incapable of fragging Su-34, it can’t counter Kh-38 platforms at all.
To claim Pantsir is good is a massive skill issue.