Giving 3,7 cm Flaks the Navy Pzgr. L'Spur

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I would like to suggest giving the 3,7 cm Flaks also the Navys Pzgr. L’Spur as already found on boats. (As opposed to the normal Pzgr. 18 Aphe.)
The Kriegsmarine had the 3,7 cm Flaks such as Flak 36, 37 and 43 not only on the boats themself, but also for costal defence and some Self propelled ones as well.
While there is no fixed documentation who all got the Navys Pzgr, giving it also to the Heeres vehicles such as the Sd.Kfz. 6/2, Ostwind, Ostwind II, Flakpanzer 341 and all that have yet to come wouldnt be unhistorical, as there where such halftracks also armed, however the tanks and halftrackt in game are depicted as from the Wehrmacht. In general, to improve production and supply, all 3,7 cm guns shared the projectiles and some even casings between guns and more importantly between Navy, Army and Airforce.

This means the 4 major casings: 37x250mmR (Army), 37x250mmR (Navy, it has a thicker bottom for higher pressure), 37x265mmB and 37x380mmR. The First 3 share 134(+/-3mm) rounds as well as the casings and guns were used by all. The latter has L/4,2 round or 152mm, which came back late war for the 3,7 cm Flak 341 L/77.

It would offer the lower vehicles such as the Sd.Kfz. 6/2 an stronger alternative to the Pzgr. 18 L’Spur as well as an intermediate Ap round befor the H-Pzgr L’Spur for higher Br Tanks such as the above mentioned.

Its an Apcbc 0,7 kg 790 m/s Solid shot. It would trade after Armor effect for higher penetration, while the Pzgr. 18 L’Spur would have slight higher velocity with 800m/s.
This would give them in game 52 and 64mm Penetration, so still a good improvement, while over range the APCBC will still be ballistically more ideal.
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In game currently the Pzgr. 18 L’Spur has the wrong velocity of 770m/s, while its top velocity should be 800m/s and the Pzgr. L’Spur currently has 815m/s on all guns, while actually it should be 790m/s from 37x265mmB and L/57 guns and only 815m/s from the 37x250mmR L/69 guns.

Source:
German Artillery of World War Two
Hitler’s Navy: The Kriegsmarine in World War II
Kriegsmarine Coastal Forces

New sources:
Naval Weapons of WW2 John Campbell
Flying Guns WWII Anthny G Williams & Dr. Emmanuel Gustin
The Messerschmitt Bf 110 Story Jan Forsgren
Tactical and Technical Trends No.39
Autocannon History Anthony G williams

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Good idea, the post pen is not as useful for spaag’s because the high fire rate. This helps the vehicles to be more useful on ground.

This would really make them effective against tanks! +1

Another possible addition would be the 3,7 cm Gr. 18 (Ansch.) Apbc 0,635 kg 820m/s 0g filler.
(Other guns allready recived Practice and He grenades with different fuze setting as AP grenades, the Gr. 18 (Ansch.) is a high power solid steel flat head with ballistic cap test round (with high power charge (~200g instead of 185g charge, to test the reliability of the gun).

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It would also be nice to give the Ostwind 2 a mixed he/apcr belt and the flakpanzer341 a full apcr one to make them usable against tanks like other spaa vehicles at their br

Thats my H-Pzgr. L’Spur suggestion, this is for the Apcbc Pzgr. L’Spur (Navy).

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Reworked the suggestion, added new info and sources.