Seems you have no idea about the La5FN with its high speed turn :) anyway.
I pretty much played Re2005 in this meta. Got like 50 or so kills when it came out and it was broken as hell, but all the other over 900 kills are in the current meta fighting full fighter teams while you are the only fighter with 4 288s and maybe a 335 who all die miserably. And the 2005 isn’t exactly stellar. So, your point?
this is basically you screaming that you have a skill issue.
Playing any P47, you have to know its advantage. If you sideclimbed for 5 minutes, you will be higher and faster than every other German aircraft along with a punishing armament of 8 .50 cals. I’m not a great pilot by any means, but when I try, I do really well with the P47’s.
The topic relates to P-47 with air spawn. Alone that you mention it does not help as you don’t consider the overall context. And i flew the Re 2005 too, a few weeks before the uptier to 6.0 and flying for months in full uptiers vs meteors or F-80s. The nerf and downtier to 5.3 killed this plane - so that it is now at 5.7 is not a sign of good pilots in it, it is a sign that they face just poor pilots, because even a 5.0 P-51 D-30 can be killed only if the pilot makes mistakes.
And at least you outturn most of your potential enemies there, a P-47 can outturn almost nobody, at least not when facing US/GB fighters only.
The P-47 D-30 has zero chance against a player in a P-51 D-30 (on equal skill level) as the plane is better in every aspect. Only due to the airbrake i was able to kill some very good pilots by forcing them to overshot or by just parking behind them as i could avoid overshooting.
So my initial point is still valid, your argument with 900 kills in a Re 2005 is not comparable. Btw i saw in my P-47 matches not a single Re 2005; if i had luck i got an experienced Ta 152 H pilot, but mostly 190sA-8s or D9s going for quick headon trades.
To come back to the OP - yes the meta is against them, but they don’t need an airspawn. A proper flown P-47 needs alt and speed to work and the game is often decided wehen they have alt, but a lot of other planes share this disadvantage.
The P-47D-30? As in the same as the P-47D-28?
This is laughable. Are you seriously saying a P-47D-28 can’t win against a D-30 P51?
Dude, the D30 EATS. P-51 30’s for breakfast. P51 has really bad high speed rudder lockup so you can use and abuse that all day long.
If you can’t win that fight, you need to reevaluate your skill.
Dude - i have zero clue what you are talking about. You never flew the P-47 D-30 (Italy or China).
The P51 climbs better, is faster and has better turn. So your rudder lock up is valid if he is already at your six - or in a high speed turnfight where you actually need rudder or (i don’t do that) in a headon.
Seeing your rather limited experience in the P-51 D-30 (20 matches) or P-47 D-28 (15 matches) i am not sure if you had the chance to meet an equally skilled pilot in a Italian P-47 D-30 whilst flying a P-51 D-30 - or that you are in a position to give combat effectiveness recommendations for both planes or unasked skill evaluations…
I actually met a lot of experienced P-51 D-30 pilots in my fights, ok not guys like dodgeness, but good enough to know their planes and mine. Some of them get cought by surprise as they got outclimbed or “air braked”, but you should consider that flying in the Ju 288 black hole requires quick kills and right target choices as you get overwhelmed mainly by numbers, not by quality.
So as soon as you lose you initial energy advantage (in case you were able to create it) you can’t get it back vs a P-51 D-30 if you enemy makes no mistakes.
brother what are you on about “yOu hAvE nEvEr fLoWn tEh D-30?!?!” it’s the same plane.
What I can tell you is not based off my stats, but rather a lot of duels in custom matches at 5:0 in my P-47D-28. I have so few matches in RB because I spaded it and took it into custom battles.
In my experience fighting pretty experienced prop pilots, the compression of the rudder is what utterly kills the P-51 and allowed me to reverse, get on their tail, and now them down with a short burst.
It’s similar to the BI, but much better because the goddamn BI is pretty much unkillable.
You also noted something at the bottom of your post.
“As soon as you lose your initial energy advantage…”
This is quite good that you said this because if you lose the initial energy advantage in LITERALLY ANY PLANE, you lose the fight. This is not exclusive to the P-47. However, it does apply a hell of a lot more to the P-47.
Let me tell you something, there is no such thing as “no mistakes” in a fight. Even the most experienced pilots can, and will make mistakes. How severe they are and how quickly you pounce on those is a key factor.
Take for example the Yak-23. Plane has a top speed of 900 kmh but regularly fights supersonics. Planes such as the J35 that completely outclass it in every way.
So, how do you kill something that better than you in every way?
It’s quite simple, you force a mistake.
In my quite limited experience in the Yak, you can always force a mistake on completely superior planes because they feel like they have the advantage. For the J35 vs the Yak, it was forcing a scissor maneuver.
One thing the Yak does slightly better than the J35 is energy retention. So, go into a scissor maneuver, J35 is bled for energy while you have more than enough to go vertical while he is stalling out.
Based on your post, you don’t actually know your plane that well. I’d suggest rethinking how you approach a fight like this.
Cheers 🥂
My observation is the p47 will always be a bad plane to the average player, I still want to see the p47s get air spawns the USA VERSIONS ONLY for just a month, exclude the d28 if you want
yeah, guess what? Gaijin tried that. They were op as hell. Never again.
For the US only right? Right???
(Because it wasn’t the case before, where do you think the meme name hitlerbolt came from?)
So, one nation gets an extremely strong airspawn P47 while the rest get shit on? The only real advantage Germans have besides their turn rate and roll rate is climb. Taking away that means your plane because way less useful.
This is coming from playing both U.S fighters and German fighters. I was once in the phase of “germany op” because I had no idea how to play the P47. Now that I know, the only threatening thing is Ta 152’s or a well-flown 109 K4.
Come on now, the 109 has more advantages than that. They’ll clown on any D variant P-47 that tries to challenge it into a vertical, and it has a much easier time maintaining energy in aerial manuevers than the Jug. In a battle between average players the 109 is simply more forgivable in energy intensive maneuvers even if the 47 had a altitude advantage.
If a player has a problem fighting P-47 players that follows them into dogfights trying to both turn and climb with your BF109, then thats skill issue.
When a good P47 finds a good BF 109 pilot at altitude, the P47 will ALWAYS win. None of the 109’s other advantages matter if you can’t catch your opponent.
Look at the F104. It’s only real advantage is it’s top speed and the only real way it dies is missile. If it fights a Sabre, it will win. Why is that? Because the Sabre cannot catch him meaning that the F104 is invincible to the Sabre.
Same as the P47. If a Zero or 109 cannot use it’s turning and roll due to the enemy’s speed, they have no advantages.
Now that’s just being picky. The annoying thing about properly fighting in a P-47 is that the guy you’re has to just be just fast enough or maintain just enough energy to put their nose on target and squeeze a few rounds before the jug zooms away. Sometimes they miss, but sometimes they hit and the damage has seriously degraded your fighting ability, or just straight up get shot down.
This is why the 104 is terrible example, its impossible for the sabre to even reach the speed of ‘just fast enough’ to pump a few rounds befote it zooms away. The P-47, however, has plenty of opponent’s that can do it.
Speed is important yes, but mouse aim and the instructor means that it isn’t an american cheat code for dogfights.
All the P-47s below the D28 are simply trash as fighters in the current meta. The games are too short, and it takes so long to side-climb up to a decent operating alt, that the game will be decided without you.
Problem is, vets will remember the Hitlerbolt days where German P-47s where more common in the skies than 109s and 190s.
Perhaps Gaijin could experiment with a new air-start (not interceptor or striker) that is just above the airfield, to give these poor planes a ‘rolling start’.
Call it the ‘fat girl’ spawn if you like :)
Except, it is kind of a cheat code. Yes, it’s not perfect. But, with the superior speed, things like mouse aim and instructor really don’t help when you energy trap someone and they are going slower and slower while you are repeatedly looping over them not losing any energy at all.
This is the P47’s strength. The climb rate and speed at high altitude you have to abuse to all hell.
Is the P47 superior to the Ta 152 or BF109 K? No. Can it defeat them? Yes, if you play it right you can indeed kill them.
Is this plane for less experienced pilots in the game? Hell no. It takes a good pilot to fly this thing to the point where it’s actually a threat.
I’ll admit the D25 and N is pure garbage due to its suboptimal climb but the D28, D30, and M should be a fair match to almost anything you fly against. If you are having trouble with this, take a step back and look at what you did wrong.
I know it’s a joke, but if they are above you, you should have sideclimbed. If you sideclimb to about a 60° angle to the left of the airfield. This means you will meet your opponents at altitude with superior speed and since you are coming in a bit late, most of them will already have dove down to a bit.
Air spawns are lame for fighters or fighter-like strike aircraft. Air RB air spawn already abused by Wyverns left and right. What we don’t need is the same with P-47’s… So no.
(US have truly enough airspawning hell death machines anyways…)
just remove all airspawn and thats it
What do you mean with managing temperatures? Bf 109 F4 will cook itself even with rads set to 100% on hot maps, unless you are constantly adjusting engine RPM - if you forget - well, sorry, your engone just overreved and died.
XP-50 can either go 97% entire match or setup rads and prop pitch manually once and it will never overheat.
Even better - XP-50 can be setup to achieve nearly the advertised top speed without much problems and it will be able to keep flying like that. Bf 109 F4 with 100% rads will be going around 80km/h slower while cooking itself anyway. And if you manually adjust the engine - fine but you’ll have to change prop pitch every few seconda, while carefully monitoring the temperatures and you’ll be slower than XP-50 anyway.
So even very mediocre XP-50 user can outlast Bf 109 F4 in scissors or turnfight on a hot map, maybe even moderate map, because unless Bf 109 is constantly changing prop pitch, he will get red engine temps pretty quickly and then either let go off WEP - which gives XP-50 even bigger advantage, or death from overheating. Oh XP-50 also outturns Bf 109 F4 because why the hell not.
Everyone and there mother knows the xp50 is op, hell does anyone even know current flight performance even historical?
I don’t think so