The last thing you should do is spend money in the German tech tree
but CleanupOnIL-8 already said
So why not choose another tech tree like japan
Luftwaffe must be considered totally dead tbh
You quote something in my name, I didn’t write…
2S38 is fine, just needs a BR bump
F-117 is total ass, don’t say oh its stealth, its trash. I’ve killed it with the Strela so many times its laughable.
Update…
Yes, US planes are OP… And I never could have done that in a german plane with a LvL 6 crew…
Omg, tell me you have the rewards screenshot
Hello friends,
I finished my little test today.
And yes, Germany has to get rid of at least 50% of the current nerfs.
Why did I come to this conclusion?
Since it’s usually the American mains who scream the most that it’s not the airplane that makes them so great and it’s just the Germans’ lack of skills, I decided to try out the US Tech tree.
And yes, the planes are just way too OP.
From Rank I to Rank III there is almost no aircraft that is not superior to the German aircraft.
What caught my attention?:
1.: Aiming and hitting the enemy.
It is very easy to hit opponents. Like shooting with a shotgun. Some bullet will hit. And most of the time it hits the engine and the opponent has to make sure that he makes it back to the airfield, if at all.
2.: Speed and climb rate:
These two things are also superior to the German aircraft. Which means that you can easily withdraw from a situation. If you have grazed the enemy beforehand and of course, how could it be otherwise, his engine is smoking, you usually have a kill.
3: Range of projectiles and excessive penetration at a distance:
You see a bomber, you fly behind it, its gunner fires, but the bullets don’t reach you… You fire, hit, and its engine smokes… Likewise, you do that 2 or 3 times and the bomber goes down…
4.: Flight behavior:
I had already reported that the oh-so-great BF 109 F4 suddenly experienced wing stalls (over 300 km/h), which caused the aircraft to spin. Of course, this happens in dogfights, which usually means death.
I have not seen this behavior in any of the American aircraft.
Sit down and fly headlessly is the motto here.
5.: Acceleration and elasticity:
In the German planes, you have the feeling that the propeller produces negative thrust. If I had to estimate, around 20 to 30%.
This can be observed at all airfields that are higher than 400 m above sea level. The Bf 109 in particular has great difficulty taking off there.
I couldn’t see that with the American planes.
6.: Engine durability and overheating behavior:
Engine durability:
What can I say?
It’s a joke…
If you overheat your engine, it will cool down and all will be well.
If you fly in a German airplane for more than 15 minutes with 97% throttle, the oil indicator suddenly turns yellow, and you have to take your foot off the accelerator… And the engine no longer recovers.
Your engine is hit and is yellow…
You can easily fly further in a US plane. Continue for a very long time. Which makes a difference, especially in combat situations.
In a German aircraft (even an FW 190, which was specifically known for being combat-ready in the event of such hits), you have to get back to the airfield as quickly as possible. And with a lot of luck, you can do it.
Overheating:
WEP was invented by the British, but never adopted on aircraft. The Germans took up the idea and put it on the planes.
WEP supplies the engine with a cooling fluid mixture that contains, among other things, water.
The aircraft were able to fly continuously on WEP for 30 minutes. Why only 30 minutes? Because then the tank for WEP was empty, not because the engine overheated…
In WEP situations (i.e. in direct combat) they even closed the radiators to be even faster… And the engine stayed cool…
But here, 10 seconds WEP and your engine is deep red…
In a US plane, strangely enough, you can fly on WEP for ages, even though as far as I know they didn’t have WEP…
Funnily enough, I was accused of only flying the “Seal clappers” of the US planes…
Hmm, which plane isn’t one?
The P39, yes…
BR 3.0…
It’s like flying a ME 262 on BR 5.0…
You can also shoot a bomber with the 37 mm cannon from 2 km away without any problems… With a single hit…
P-51C-10…
708 km/h on BR 4.0…
Yeah… Why not just another F16 on BR 7.0???
Not 2, not 3, NO!!!, 6, six! .50 cal…
You really don’t need to aim to hit.
P-51 (The “Cannon Stang”)
The Hispanos were supposed to be the worst weapons in the game. They were actually extremely terrible in real life…
But… one glancing shot and your opponent is history.
In the FW 190 you can often hit 5 times and all you get is another hit…
Not in the P-51… glancing shot… kill
And here too… the range is abnormal.
What I’ve noticed in the last few weeks with the German aircraft is the extremely poor performance of the 20mm’s
It looks like up to 50% of the bullets fired don’t exist. The ammunition display goes down, but the bullets are not modeled.
In addition, 3 or 4 hits should actually be enough to render an aircraft unflyable. But no… 1 hit, 2 hits, 3 hits… not even a crit…
Everything together… Germany suffers! A lot!!!
But we don’t need a buff…
Just let 50% of the nerfs disappear.
That should be doable, since I’m not even talking about a nerf of the others.
Thanks for reading, and always keep 2 m of air under your wings!
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Something else I forgot.
Especially with the P-51, the one with the 20mm cannons, where is the bullet drop?
The muzzle velocity is comparable to German 20mm cannons.
But the bullet drop is practically non-existent… WTF!!!
Are US pilots really so bad that they need an unfair advantage in every possible way to get kills?
I’m really upset right now with how Gaijin is handling things here. Especially since the last 2 weeks.
i feel even if they botch it, it should still be usable since even in a worst case implementation it should have high TWR and a lot of missles
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By the way, thank you for bringing me to this experiment…
I didn’t think before that the difference between the German and American aircraft in the game was so extreme.
The muzzle velocity is comparable to German 20mm cannons.
But the bullet drop is practically non-existent… WTF!!!
I’m planning to read through this entire discussion at a later date, but I’ve got to go to bed soon. For now, though, I will say that the reason the Hispanos (if I remember right that’s what the cannon-Stang uses) have a flatter trajectory is that they have less drag, not just that they have a somewhat higher muzzle velocity. That is to say, while they do leave the barrel at a higher speed, the primary advantage is that once doing so they lose that speed more slowly (which is more the more significant of the two advantages).
If I remember correctly, this is primarily due to three things. The first is that the minengeschoss rounds have a great deal of HE filler, and by nature this means their velocity and aerodynamics are more limited than the Hispano rounds. The second is that the MG151/20, Germany’s main 20mm gun, was originally the MG151/15, a 15mm cannon. The gun was refitted to fire 20mm rounds, but is still relatively short and low-velocity for that calibre, as it was originally designed for a smaller round. The third is that in real life ww2 combat you tended to be firing within 100-200 meters, not 700, so the difference in velocity made less of a difference; if you want to see how this plays out, play a bit of Sim or watch some videos of IL-2 Sturmovik fights.
This can be seen on the Bf 109 F-2, which features an MG151/15 in the nose, the Bf 109 F4, which gets them as gunpods, and in one of the Do 335s.
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I think you don’t understand what they are saying. If Germany is facing, across the board until top-tier, later-developed planes and ships, and the suggestion is to allow for the 262 to drop into a lower BR more often to “share the burden” of compression, that’s not saying Germany SHOULDN’T face uptiers or mismatched historical conflicts, it’s saying German mains are not only tired of the constant inequities in favor of America/Britain/ruskies, but we are also tired of our belts being nerfed, our cooling being nerfed, and our flaps getting nerfed for no reason other than “we don’t like what Germany did to our armies before the americans saved our asses” lol!
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How can you complain when Germany has one of the best air trees in the game?
This was true years ago. But even then, german planes were never beginner friendly. And in the old days there were many good players only playing german props. Most of them quit.
Nowadays many german planes got massive nerfs, best example the Horten 229. Now the fuel nerf of Me 163s, overheating problems 190s, ammo nerf of the Minengeschoss. And the player base is floated with beginners only doing their “grinding” thing.Through the ranks it become better the higher you go. But in the prop range you need a certain skill to handle german planes. In the past I never saw so many german teams collapsing in seconds…
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Fw-190s, Bf-109s, and Do-335 are all amazing planes. Just because some wonderwaffe is bad doesn’t mean the German TT is bad or over nerfed.
FW 190s are mid cant reallly do much 109s can somewhat do something but the guns just let you down there energy fighters that cant energy fight cause a spit will always be higher and your wunder waffen are compressed to hell cause american mains complained same with russian mains the air tree just stinks honestly only decent vehicles
are
BF109E models
TA152H1
BF109K4
BF109G14
BF109C1
thats about all your good fighters Bf110s are good for bomber hunting and Me410s and thats it
Me262 C2B is nice and He162 to and the Me262C1A
The Fw 190D-9 and Bf 109G-2 are both amazing planes. Not to mention, Germany has some of the best CAS options out of any nation.
Idk much abt the Ho 229, but the Me 163 used to be straight up overpowered.
Now it becomes a little bit ridiculous…
Where is your experience from?
The Me 163 has only 4min of fuel, and you need 3min ish to climb at 5000m.
You can’t chase any plane anymore nor you have the guns/ammo to kill an enemy with one burst because of the nerf of the minengeschoss.
The BR change all sabres and Migs went down in BR make it even worse.
You see them barely fly, and if, the pilots aren’t the best, because all good players quit with this plane.
I never said the german planes aren’t good or the techtree is bad, but they aren’t beginner friendly. Your team don’t perform anymore, because most of the players nowadays think climbing is unnecessary, hammering the keyboard is enough or headon is the best solution. And even in an amazing plane you can’t play every battle 1vsX with success.
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