The muzzle velocity is comparable to German 20mm cannons.
But the bullet drop is practically non-existent… WTF!!!
I’m planning to read through this entire discussion at a later date, but I’ve got to go to bed soon. For now, though, I will say that the reason the Hispanos (if I remember right that’s what the cannon-Stang uses) have a flatter trajectory is that they have less drag, not just that they have a somewhat higher muzzle velocity. That is to say, while they do leave the barrel at a higher speed, the primary advantage is that once doing so they lose that speed more slowly (which is more the more significant of the two advantages).
If I remember correctly, this is primarily due to three things. The first is that the minengeschoss rounds have a great deal of HE filler, and by nature this means their velocity and aerodynamics are more limited than the Hispano rounds. The second is that the MG151/20, Germany’s main 20mm gun, was originally the MG151/15, a 15mm cannon. The gun was refitted to fire 20mm rounds, but is still relatively short and low-velocity for that calibre, as it was originally designed for a smaller round. The third is that in real life ww2 combat you tended to be firing within 100-200 meters, not 700, so the difference in velocity made less of a difference; if you want to see how this plays out, play a bit of Sim or watch some videos of IL-2 Sturmovik fights.
This can be seen on the Bf 109 F-2, which features an MG151/15 in the nose, the Bf 109 F4, which gets them as gunpods, and in one of the Do 335s.
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I think you don’t understand what they are saying. If Germany is facing, across the board until top-tier, later-developed planes and ships, and the suggestion is to allow for the 262 to drop into a lower BR more often to “share the burden” of compression, that’s not saying Germany SHOULDN’T face uptiers or mismatched historical conflicts, it’s saying German mains are not only tired of the constant inequities in favor of America/Britain/ruskies, but we are also tired of our belts being nerfed, our cooling being nerfed, and our flaps getting nerfed for no reason other than “we don’t like what Germany did to our armies before the americans saved our asses” lol!
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How can you complain when Germany has one of the best air trees in the game?
This was true years ago. But even then, german planes were never beginner friendly. And in the old days there were many good players only playing german props. Most of them quit.
Nowadays many german planes got massive nerfs, best example the Horten 229. Now the fuel nerf of Me 163s, overheating problems 190s, ammo nerf of the Minengeschoss. And the player base is floated with beginners only doing their “grinding” thing.Through the ranks it become better the higher you go. But in the prop range you need a certain skill to handle german planes. In the past I never saw so many german teams collapsing in seconds…
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Fw-190s, Bf-109s, and Do-335 are all amazing planes. Just because some wonderwaffe is bad doesn’t mean the German TT is bad or over nerfed.
FW 190s are mid cant reallly do much 109s can somewhat do something but the guns just let you down there energy fighters that cant energy fight cause a spit will always be higher and your wunder waffen are compressed to hell cause american mains complained same with russian mains the air tree just stinks honestly only decent vehicles
are
BF109E models
TA152H1
BF109K4
BF109G14
BF109C1
thats about all your good fighters Bf110s are good for bomber hunting and Me410s and thats it
Me262 C2B is nice and He162 to and the Me262C1A
The Fw 190D-9 and Bf 109G-2 are both amazing planes. Not to mention, Germany has some of the best CAS options out of any nation.
Idk much abt the Ho 229, but the Me 163 used to be straight up overpowered.
Now it becomes a little bit ridiculous…
Where is your experience from?
The Me 163 has only 4min of fuel, and you need 3min ish to climb at 5000m.
You can’t chase any plane anymore nor you have the guns/ammo to kill an enemy with one burst because of the nerf of the minengeschoss.
The BR change all sabres and Migs went down in BR make it even worse.
You see them barely fly, and if, the pilots aren’t the best, because all good players quit with this plane.
I never said the german planes aren’t good or the techtree is bad, but they aren’t beginner friendly. Your team don’t perform anymore, because most of the players nowadays think climbing is unnecessary, hammering the keyboard is enough or headon is the best solution. And even in an amazing plane you can’t play every battle 1vsX with success.
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Me163 was OP years ago when it had its historically accurate climbrate then they nerfed it and added BI at a lower br and reduced its fuel to half now its basically unplayble
BF109G2 is the only decent Bf109 g model yet it gets beat easily by spits and yaks very easily at same br and guns are weak as hell
FW190D9 is mid its not crazy for 5.0 there planes that climb faster and gofaster than you your a mediorcre interceptor its sad plane dont turn well dont really maintain energy that well your guns are okay there kinda buns cause they dont have real shatter
there cas while good in GRB is completely outclassed by other props at same br its mostly carried by 50 mm 262 and arados not to mention cas doesnt matter in air RB
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That’s not cause Germany is bad, it’s cuz Spits and Yaks are absurdly undertiered.
It’s basically F4U-4B but it’s 0.7 lower in exchange for worse turning. It’s one of the fastest planes at its BR.
The only nation with better prop CAS is USSR.
it may be fast but you can always be faster a plane can just dive on you and catch you the d9 is not good its mid compared to any other interceptor like P38 for example which is better in every way german air is pretty bad it takes a lot of skill to do good
easily america all there planes can carry large bombs and many rockets compared to a single 250kg-500kg on most fighters would say britain too purely cause there wyvern and there fighters carry some nice bombs too
these brs are all about who has the better prop and 75% of the time the enemy will have a better prop G2 is the only one who doesnt suffer as much as other 109s cause its good FM many super props out do german 109s at everything at high tier like Mk24 P51H5 for example or yak3u will all very easily out climb and speed and even turn a 109K4
P-38 is not good by any measure. Fw-190 out climbs most planes with the only real exception being the Spitfire.
If we exclude premiums, I’d say Germany is Better than Britain just on account of how many bombs can be carried, and Mk 103s.
As for America, I’d take one bomb and two Mk 103s over two or three bombs any day.
holy skill issue p38 not good ? are you okay ? best BNZ fighter for there brs and turn really well one of the first planes to break 450mph ? like what? like this is just pure rage bait interceptor spawn too there crazy good
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No way you actually suffer when fighting P-38 of all planes . . .
ive played them they are very good compared to most german props they will dog walk you with a alt advantage your only chance is if your in a 109 and they turn fight you but they can just BNZ your nuts off and you will just be a duck
Yeah problem with that is most German players that use the 109 don’t understand that they need to climb to 3000-4000m and not stay low and try dogfighting
How can anyone die to a BnZ P-38 without being completely blind? Even the Fw 190 can pull hard enough to dodge a P-38.
Fw 190D-9 performs BnZ far better, having better roll, better firepower, better climb rate, and being faster in general.