German vs USA 8.3 BR balance

Hi. I see that recently War Thunder has started changing the Battle Ratings, leaving out, in my opinion, the ones that require rebalancing the most.

For example, why in realistic ground battles both the US M60A1 and M60A2 tanks have the same BR as the German M48A2 G which has no gun stabilization. In my opinion, American tanks are clearly better on BR 8.3 and what is your opinion?

The second case on BR 8.3 is the F-84F aircraft. Why is an identical machine in the US tree at rank V, but in the German tree only at rank VI?

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The M48A2 G has dm 23 which is a better shell still i dont think that adds up to being the same br

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Meanwhile the Magach 5 with reactive armor and same APFSDS in 8.0…

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The br is a bit wacky for sure, another vehicle required mentioning is the Chinese M60TTS, doesn’t even carry M774, totally naked too and is placed at the same br as USA M60TTS lol

Like 8.0 Ru T-54 probably the most dogwater vehicle in its respective br, and then at the same br we have the Chinese version T-54s which is stabilized, and ZTZ59D1 being 8.3 but carry M111 equivalent and it’s at the same br as T-55A, only thing that set it back is the lousy turret turning rate.

Back to the magach 5, how is it lower br than the T95E1 lmao one of them clearly better.

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You have a point but M60A2 isn’t that great to be honest. It’s stuck with either a crappy missile or a slow HEAT shell with a long reload.

The missile initial launch dip has totally killed it for me, and base on how weird the turret is shaped it can take a lot of hits without blowing up like the rest of the M60 series, due to how short the barrel is it’s heat shell create a nice arc that make it an expert at killing camper sitting behind cover thinking they are safe, it’s a fun vehicle to play imo only thing I hate is the overexposed capula lol

It also has a 20s reload timer lol.

Considering how tall your cupola is, hitting it won’t be a big issue.

Its something I don’t wish any artillery units see lol hey Panzerhaubitze, PLZ05 and VIDAR, I hope y’all can’t see my stupid capula and decided to hit the range find.

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I forced myself to spade the finnish t54 a few days ago. I hated my life. I forgot how absolute dogs behind they are when all you get is 8.7 matches. i got ONE full downtier, i was so shocked. Even then it was meh because from the top off my head 7.0 tanks have HEAT, i think except the amx50 foch which doesnt need it, and i think thats about it. everything else either is giant HE or apds.

This is to say i didnt stomp and dominate in a full downtier with the vehicle like you do which cough cough t55am1 or any other 8.7 that gets a full downtier almost always.

Its trash for many reasons, the zoom is shit and what I think it’s responsible for its current predicament is the horrible ass turret turning rate lol ok we can hull turn very quickly but you will often find yourself missed a target who drove past you in CQC range, I’d say don’t bother, maybe only spawn it as 9th backup spawn lol just go T-55M and don’t look back.

But according to Gaijin mid/low ranks dont need more BRs changes…

Let me guess,you’re trying to spade the M48G A2 huh?

The latter,even tho it lacks a stab turret,still has DM23 at 8.3,which is basically a better version of the M735. The M60A1 only has access to the M728 as its only kinetic options that,despite the incredible damage,lacks the armor penetration of the DM23.

There’s really no way to balance them out other than a general decompression: the G A2 can’t go 8.0 because it can curbstomp 7.0 with ease,and the M60A1 can’t go 8.7 because it lacks the things that makes it 8.7 material (in fact, the RISE P is 8.7)

I’m not talking about the M60A2 simply because it is not a good tank,in the sense that it’s harder to use compared to the other Pattons

Counterpoint: 7.7 as a whole is the worst BR to play with,even worse than 12.0

Source: trying to spade the M47 105/55 while all your matches are 8.3/8.7 is unbearable

I think 8.0 is even worse if you don’t have stabilization. At least 7.7s could see 6.7 WW2 lineups.
I’m playing 8.0 Israel at the moment and most games are either 8.7 or 9.0, so without any stabilization you’re royally screwed.

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In the meantime, Turm III is also 8.3, while being far, far better. It’s called bias, baby.

HE would like to have a word with you

8.0 is actually bad too. I actually like the Leo 1 (8.0) as it has excellent optics and the Heat FS works really well. If you play a large map and are in the 8.3 tier at most, it is usable. From 8.7 onwards he will encounter LRFs and stabilized cannons. So he doesn’t win a long-distance duel, which is what he was actually made for. So you can then leave it directly in the garage.
Just which tank do you drive in the 8.0 Lineup? That leaves the Marder (which is quite good) and the BMP 1 (which is quite bad). It’s not for nothing that 8.0 and 8.3 Germany has one of the worst win loss ratios in the game.

By the way, I find it absolutely incomprehensible that the Leo 1A1 is on 9.0. Yes, it is stabilized and the optics are really good.

But if I compare it with the 8.7 T55 AMD -1 or T55 AM -1 with better armor, LRF and slightly worse ammunition (more than enough for the animal), its BR is clearly too high.

PzH 2000, Raketen ?

A1A1 is more mobile, has better reload speed, gun depression and gun handling.

shhhh

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I spaded it for the sake of completion. As soon as i finished it i put it away and will never touch it again. The strv 101 and strv103 depsite being less nimble and not suitable to my playstyle were infinitely easier to spade.

Ive moved onto the 8.7 swedish tanks now THANKGOD, i will never play the t54s whit the curret meta, i dont know why gaijin doesnt added the t54a, we have 3 t54s in the russian tree i wish just one had a vertical stabiliser. I have yet to finish a few modules on the last t54 1951 but i refuse to touch it.