Ya, but no more whining about the swiss sub tree or germany doesnt deserve it etc.
Ill take my copy paste slop any day
bruh
germany try not to have literally every damn vehicle in existence challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
there’s already not much point playing anything else man germany doesn’t need everything
Everyone gets a leo 2 might as well get something for it.
thats not a good thing, copypaste is always bad
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this is NOT a good thing.
the only reason to have nation factions is for national unique identity. the Leo 2 spam across the board has destroyed that at high-top tier and we should contain it from further damage to the game
Instead of copy slop number 100 (coming from someone who’s second largest collection of vehicles is German) here’s some stuff unique to Switzerland
(It could also pull a Benelux and use variants of vehicles not original to Switzerland but also not ingame like the Firefly MK4 for the Benelux subtree)
Spoiler
Patrouillenboot P-80 - Swiss overlooked Naval Forces.
10,5cm Sf Hb AMX,, French artillery rank
Hispano-Suiza flakpanzer A14 HS 30mit 3 cm Flakzwilling HSS 831 L/70, Swiss Twin 30mm tank
Oerlikon-Bührle AG 20 mm Vierlings-Flabpanzer Lpz 51, Swiss Shilka before it was cool
Mowag Tornado mk.2 GBD COA, Swiss tank with American muscle
P-16 Mk.II: Rise and Fall
Morane D.3801 (1944), Swiss multi-role WW2 fighter.
Morane Saulnier MS 406H, the firsts Swiss WW2 aircraft
Mirage IIIS C.70: Alpine Canard Delta
Hispano-Suiza 30 mm Zwilings-Flabpanzer Lpz 51, Swiss Cousin to the AMX 13 DCA
Panzer 68
Mowag Rpz Doppellenker. mobility and firepower over everyting else
Doflug 3802, the improved Swiss Morane
P-16.04 Nr.1: Ambitious Start
P-16.04 Nr.2: Step by Step
It’s stuff like this and not one to one copies of other nations vehicles that subtrees should bring.
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rather hypcritical when all the british want india as a subtree su30mk etc
I remember he was staunchly against India as a UK subtree in a different discussion, as am I
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i just wish they would stop messing with brs that dont matter id take decompression over swiss any day
lmao.
I wish the alpine tree was added instead of this, but I agree the decompression is definitely a priority to be fixed
so another TT ending up with Leopard 2A4s and EFTs?
I’d say it’s a bit of a stretch to compare one vehicle that was actually used by the host nation to getting a batch of vehicles that has nothing to do with the host because gajin decided to pair them together (I also think unless the chafee underwent some change then isn’t of interest for the UK tree).
There’s plenty more vehicles than that, even if it needed copy and paste, it would bring vast amounts more of unique mods and vehicles. There are genuine reasons for people wanting subtrees outside of “I want a F-16/Leo 2/T-80/Su-27 etc”.
i have nothing against brits getting chaffee since they used it.
i however have everything against hypocrisy.
Unless something changes (like researching 2A4 unlocking the exact same model in multiple trees or getting deck building like in wargame red dragon which effectively fixes most possible gaps in single nation lineups), i just dont think more playable nations (or coalitions for that matter) are viable. like even bigger nations have gaps in lineups that are still wating to be filled (up until addition of XM246, US 8.0 to 8.7 lineups still had to rely on vulcan for AA duty, and that thing barely holds its ground at 7.7 due to effective range).
beside smin stated somewhere that due to israel tt feedback, unless country cant stand on its own without help of multiple subtrees, they dont consider them introducing as standalone.
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That would be great as a feature although it would need to be 1 for 1 i.e researching the M109G in Germany also unlocks it for Italy, but doesn’t unlock the M109 or M109A1.
I’d chalk it up to gajin’s thing of focusing on the “latest and greatest” and copy paste instead of widening lines ups with new vehicles and other suggested or promised vehicles (cough cough Stug IV).
I mean if you look on the suggestions for some trees like for Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia, they seem to hold up well with minimum copy paste. Even the alpine tree’s ground manages to fill most brs apart from 4.0. Also trees don’t need to have a super large naval tree, as shown by Sweden, China and Israel, so the alpine tree in theory could still work (plus a 2 boat tech tree sounds really funny).
I am in strong opposition of indian vehicles in the British tree. Even with the potential of getting a Rafale.
if we are stuck with india it would be nice to have something at least mediocre for once tho.
mental gymnastics comparing a subtree demand for tons of current and future meta vehicles to a light tank the main country of that tree actually used.
the chaffee isn’t even that great a light tank lmao.
PlayedStatue got it bang on:
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pretty much why i picked 2A4 as example, as far as i know, theres zero practical differences between non-premium variants.
no offense, im talking generally here, but lot of people dont realize that vehicles themselves are still intelectual property. Gaijin needs license to add them to the game, otherwise they would face lawsuits. Sure, not exactly stug IV as there are some statues of limitations if i recall my classes correctly (been a while since i had to deal with copyright stuff). But intelectual property laws are still an issue that needs to be taken into account. Moreso with cases when the company that created vehicle does not exist anymore and is next to impossible to find who owns the rights to the vehicle design.
Entente coalition mentioned, swell with pride.
but thats going a little bit off topic.
sure, czechoslovakia and yugoslavia are examples of TTs that could work standalone, but lets be honest, there are lot that wouldnt. For example my issue with Turkish TT is that lot of its lower BR stuff are still 21st century design, like MRAPs with autocannon for SPAAs at 7.7 because turkey simply wouldnt be able to field any appropriate SPAAG.
not qualified to talk about naval. i dont like the mode, im not familiar with all the fine nuances that come with it. i just enjoy looking at large boats.
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still hypocrisy on your part to say that germany claims everything under the sun but then maining britain which can actually claim almost everything under the sun if you stretch the logic a bit. like cmon. be fair.
and i said i have nothing against britain getting chaffees.
im simply pointing out the hypocrisy, as stated previously.