I’ve recently had 4 ju288 and 2 c335 b-2 twice, and I was one of do335 and won the match surprisingly
The problem is not the four bomber limit. The problem is the matchmaker throws together 6 man teams for the Ju-288C.
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There would be no problem with this as long as both teams have 4 bombers.
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A few points:
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Instead of spreading your wisdom in the already existing thread you felt the necessity to add a rant thread?
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And insulting players as useless?
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And tell fairy tales about carrying matches and fighting for 5?
Just to make this clear: Everybody is entitled to have an opinion, but trying to stat shame one of the few “real” Ju 288 pilots is described with the first 2 words of your quote.
Having an overall WR in Air RB of 53% is average, your overall K/D is~1.5 (3.310k vs 2.310), and even WR of the last 4 weeks (57%) and a K/D of 2:1 is not really suited to support your stories of the guy you pretend to be.
Making unreasonable BR proposals is the right of everybody - i am wondering why the people even responded to this rant.
Just stop it…
This is partially correct, another aspect is that the semi historical MM kicks in when you have small lobbies, so you always have solely GER/IT vs US/UK.
So with mixed teams like ALL vs ALL, longer waiting times for Ju 288s in order to have at least 10 vs 10 or just by assigning 4 Ju 288s to both teams there is no problem.
Yes like mentioned above - and no, seeing no real bomber for the US side to create a counterweight. US teams have simply far better grinders, even assuming they would downtier the B-29 to 6.0 planes like the F2Gs are still the better choice.
Imho you mix some things up and get to the wrong conclusions.
Arguing that botting can be solved with the removal of top selling premium bombers is actually a contradiction within itself and far away from a reasonable pov. Why?
- Expecting that gaijin will remove top selling products is out of question.
- Either they are unable or unwilling to ban easy to detect bot accounts.
- Seeing #1 and 2 - your position is not realistic.
- Even if all bot accounts would be deleted the 6 v 6 would still be active.
Your other points “easily removed from the match equation” is simply not correct - especially the flood of tankers flying US fighters and flooding Air RB are simply incapable of anything else than tailchasing (bot) bombers, point and click on ground targets or trading in a headon.
That these superbrains follow bot B-25s in clusters of 3-5 for each bot bomber is the main reason why they got slaughtered later in the match: Either the got killed or damaged by ai gunners (so either dead or need for repair) or they lose so much positioning vs enemy fighters that they transformed them into easy targets.
A few months ago i saw actually 2 F4U-4bs dying to ai return fire seconds before the airfield AAA killed the bot Ju 288…and it was a bot, i watched the replay (just take his player view as evidence, he was in bombardier view without any bombs) and reported him.
That the MM is the root cause of this mess is more than obvious.
Alone the fact that US/UK fighters are incapable of securing a 100% win rate in 6 vs 6 matches fighting 6 vs 2 fighters + 4 Ju 288s should give you an indicator that the same US/UK fighters which caused countless open and hidden nerfs of the Ju 288s still have (at least on average view) massive skill issues regarding aerial warfare in general and target selection/attack approaches in particular.
It boils down that just a few highly capable IT and GER fighter pilots fly in this BR range due to the massive number disadvantage of fighters = square 1 = MM…
Do 335 B2 - quite awesome 👍
I stated that the removal of the 288C from sale would solve the botting issue specifically in 6.0 as that is where the 288C spam is, and the majority of those flying them are bot accounts. Remove the plane from sale, and the playerbase that reports bot accounts - Like you for example, will help in weeding the rest out. Then all that will remain are actual, moreorless engaged players flying the 288C.
As for the MM aspect, not every 6.0BR match is 6v6 - That is the minimum requirement Gaijin set up for MM to make a match in that BR range because of multiple factors like the following;
- 288 spam that has gone on since the addition of it and the subsequent kneecapping of German teams
- Most people don’t like fighting early jets in props, especially things like the BI, Su-9 and Su-11
- Repair costs for some vehicles, especially among minor nations like Italy were bloody astronomical and nobody likes that, so such expensive vehicles were just skipped.
The rest of your response tangents off so I won’t respond to it for the sake of remaining on topic. While MM plays a hand in the discrepancy in this BR range, the primary and root offender of the entire issue in of itself is the JU-288C.
it doesnt solve anything specialy, when the problem at hand is botting itself and that doesnt get solved itself, bots will just switch to other aircraft and ruin other brs, that isnt a problem of the ju 288c
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ju-288 been around way longer then…well…recent… i feel like this is kind of an outdated complaint.
also ju288 has air spawn (like all bombers) and is faster then most planes it faces. i’ve single handedly won games by bombing in a ju288 when rest of my team is dead, and i’ve shot down more then a few fighters trying to kill me. problem with ju288 is most players don’t use it to it’s effectiveness…it’s a bomber yes, but it’s all but a jet bomber desquised as a prop plane, play it like a jet and use speed as your friend you’ll win… a lot… =/
I think we talk about the same aspects, but with different realism approaches.
As long as gaijin is unwilling to ban all easy to identify bot accounts we will have a bot problem. Even if all bots might vanish tomorrow the 6 vs 6 setup with 4 bombers scares a lot of skilled GER/IT pilots away.
Why? Because GER/IT players are forced to play mainly in small lobbies and their planes are compared to US counterparts overtiered - or the US fighters are undertiered, choose your side.
If you take the 1944 service Me 262 at BR 7.0 as reference the only allied aircraft which are correct in BR are the 2 Spits at 6.7 / 7.0.
Fighting US post war stuff with superior flight performance (mainly due to high octane fuel) with actual WW2 planes is manageable with skill, but only to a certain degree. And the matchmaker follows in small matches still the old axis vs axis setup.
So playing in objectively worse performing planes in a massive numerical disadvantage vs enemy fighters requires a lot of passion and skill and is not really tempting…
Around half a year ago there were just for a few days just 3 Ju 288s in matches - and the set up was 7 vs 7, not 6 vs 6 - a totally different match with just one fighter more, and much more enjoyable.
In addition gaijin killed bomber game play in May 2020 with the introduction of respawning bases - imho a mix of their useless attempts trying to balance bombers and their expectations that tankers will enjoy this easy to use grinding platform.
So even in case we would have only 16 vs 16 matches - there is no reason (outside grinding) to waste money or time in flying a Ju 288 - even for skilled and passionate bomber pilots.The lack of game impact of base bombing and the countless nerfs killed the once fantastic flight performance and damage resistance. Even legends like fmt3 (check his vehicle stats) stopped playing it a long time ago.
Your removal claim has the same effect like if you would ask to remove Wyverns, imho also a low skill requiring grinding tool. Zero chance that gaijin will sacrifice income just to make some GER/IT BR 5.0 fighter players happy.
Their focus is clear on Ground RB - and the Ju 288 is actually the best grinder within GER prop BR - all other premiums (except Yak-1B and 190 D-13) are not op / undertiered like XP-50, Wyvern, P-51 C (FR+JP), F2G, etc. just to name a few. And the 2 exceptions require some skill to make them work.
U might add the 335 B-2 to them, but imho the plane is a one trick pony with early game impact, but borderline useless mid/late game. Some years ago (whilst flying GER) matches with 3 335s or 3 He 162s were almost an auto defeat as US/UK fighter pilots were clear better on average and learned to avoid headons.
But for most BR 5.0 GER/IT fighters the are only 6.0 matches. My roughly 300 matches in the IT 5.0 P-47 were 85% full uptiers and 15% full downtiers due to the event/BP IT 109 spam some months ago. For comparison: I saw in the first 25 matches with the US P-47 at 5.0 not a single Ju 288.
Just name 3 fighters with slower top speed.
Must have happened ages ago. No offense dude - but according to thunderskill you have used the Ju 288 from January 2022 until today 12 times and have not scored a single kill.
And frankly spoken: I stopped playing my Ju 288 due to this base respawning nonsense after 5172 matches - and would not buy it again on this account.
Two things:
Effective use is related to effective usage of your bombs. So base bombing is in Air RB useless regarding ticket impact - so even if you are able to kill 8 moving tanks with 8 individual SC 250 drops - how will you do this with 2-4 fighters at your six? If you use 2 x SC 1800 from higher alt against ground you can kill max 800 tickets if you score 2 direct hits on a pillbox cluster with 4 targets in each cluster - then you have to reload.
Flying like a jet - imho partially correct. The Ju 288 worked best at medium to high alt, and relied on initial alt advantage and high speed at higher alt - they key was always to keep them as long as possible behind and below you—
Heeee! I like your point about base respawning turning bombers into grind machines. It’d be nice if base bombing contributed more to the over-all success or failure of the mission like back in the old days of being able to bomb enemy airfields and winning instantly. But not sure how to make it balanced =/
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- They happen a lot and are generally annoying.
- These setups are not definite with 6 v 6 I had many standard games at these BRs while spading all the 5.0+ German tree.
- 16 v 16s are, to me, even worse and happen far more often.
- GRB and ARB are now just a huge disappointment.
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