Gepard and PGZ09 at 8.3?

true, the 7.3 m163 and zsu23-4 need to be uptiered too

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ZSU-23 yes, but M163 shouldn’t be the same BR as SPAA that have radar.

M163 has a tracking radar.

So the spaag with a radar shouldnt go up, but the one without it should…

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It only gives lead at less than a mile, is extremely inaccurate, and doesn’t account for drop. There’s a reason that it sucks even at 7.3

The undertiered SPAA should go up, the already bad SPAA shouldn’t.

simple

m163 doesnt suck at all at 7.3 ,its very potent.

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nope

I’ll take my experience over yours thanks

I take your experiences as evidence XD

How is the zsu 23 4 undertiered compared to the m163? If anything the one that should go up is the one that actually has a lead indicator.

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More powerful guns and longer effective range.

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Still no lead and it is only effective under 2km

2km is better than 1 mile, not to mention stronger guns, and better anti-tank capbilities.

400 meters is not a lot, specially when you dont have a lead indicator and 10mm is not a huge difference either, at this point youre grasping straws while at the same time ignoring that the m163 has a much larger advantage since it has a lead. By no means a meager increase in pen and range outweights a lead indicator so much that it should have a higher br as you claim.

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Any lead > no lead.

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This is complete bullshit. You’re seriously grasping at straws if you think it doesn’t matter.

It does when the lead indicator is near useless.

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It keeps being much better than not having it, the 10 mm extra on a platform as slow as the shilka actually useless

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It’s literally the difference between being about to kill light tanks or not.

Most of the times the light tanks that can be killed with a shilka can also be killed by a vulcan and that still wouldnt make it a better spaa, the 10mm doesnt change that at all, the lead on the other hand does.

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M163 is better anti-air than 7.3 ZSU.
Anyone denying that is either ignorant or biased.

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