Am I the only one who doesn’t understand why is Gepard as well as that chinese thing at 8.3?
PGZ09 has thermals, has laser range finder, has better ammo and even slightly better radar. Why is it then at the same br when it is better almost in every way? Once again we are setting brs just based on stats? Strange how these things always happen on russia and china, interesting. What do you guys think?
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always need to find a way to call it a bias favouring ussr somehow
Although this probably is rooted in the PGZ having gotten the AHEAD ammo at some point
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I’m not calling it a bias, just strange and interesting that everytime something goes around these 2 nations. If I’m wrong then tell me a valid argument instead of “Always need to find something to call it bias”.
Not only that, but thermals gives it strong advantage. If your radar can’t spot anything, just turn thermals on and watch enemy air spawn. Like is this at the same level as what Gepard can do when both are 8.3? Or what does Gepard have that makes it 8.3?
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What’s the obsession with laser rangefinders lately?
The Gepard can actually point it’s guns down to use it’s APDS and has a much better ammo count iirc
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Because whenever you see heli hiding behind trees your radar will lose a lock. Just use LRF to range him and shoot in the direction he’s going.
Okay, is this like everything? I don’t want to sound mean or provocative but is gun depression so cruitial as thermals, better ammo and lrf?
EDIT
Just checked the difference. Gepard has -5, PGZ has -2. So you are telling me that 3 degrees of depression makes it the same br. Wow
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Agreed. They should both move up, Gepard (and the Gepard clones) to 8.7, and the PGZ09 to 9.0
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Finally someone that doesn’t want to exploit undertiered vehicle and denny that it is undertiered. Thanks.
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Both need to be greatly increased…
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Imho the gepard is fine. Gun-based SPAAs are pretty easy to doge, so 8.3 for it is fine. the PGZ is better so should be 8.7. Compared to something like the itpsv leo it has a lot better AA capability but worse AT capability.
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If it was on me I would put it at 9.0 - 9.3. Sorry but that APHE round is crazy, pair it with ahead round, thermals and lrf, that shoudln’t be at 8.3 by any means.
Somehow Soviet bias despite the PGZ and Gepard being only 0.3 above the Shilka but miles better in every single metric? Okay.
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There is no need, if u played a game of top tier, then u will know Germany and Sweden are the most OP nations. Is that bias then. It is not biased, Pantsir vs ITOM 90, sure, PGZ09 vs Gepard, really? I do agree with it should be moved up to 8.7, but ‘a single vehicle under BR’d’ is not bias.
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Reminds me of something I noticed recently. The Gepard is 8.3 and the ItPsV Leopard is 8.7 despite the fact that the Gepard that, unlike the ItPsV, has separate search and track radars, more ammo (680 rounds Gepard vs 500 rounds ItPsV), and the same APDS round. Why the BR difference?
The only real differences I can see looking at the Wiki is that the ItPsV has slightly better mobility (+3 kph forward and +6 kph backward)(18 hp/t Gepard vs 30.2 hp/t ItPsV) and armor (+10mm front and sides of hull), but noticeably better gun elevation speed (29.4 - 42 */s Gepard vs 42 - 60 */s ItPsV), and even then those improvements are rather insignificant except for the gun elevation rate and the addition of an LRF for the ItPsV, of which the elevation rate really shouldn’t affect BR that much. No idea how much LRF would affect BR, but considering they are SPAA I can’t imagine it would be that big of a deal, unless you spot some Light Tank.
I will say I don’t have experience with either vehicle as I don’t have either, but if we’re just comparing vehicle stats (not vehicle performance), they should both be at the same BR.
Edit: Added mention of LRF for ItPsV and hp/t for each
Look at the horsepower difference - 30.2 hp/ton for the ItPsv and 18hp/ton for the Gepard.
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you forgot the laser rangefinder
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