As I said, the extra acceleration you get from the Leopard 2 chassis make it way better than the gepard when shooting at tanks, to the point where I believe on that alone it deserves 8.7.
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Gepard just fine in 8.3.
PGZ09, should be moved to 8.7 atleast, considering thermals, and hellofalot better ammo vs gepard.
After that AHEAD buff that thing is actually lethal, and forms a lot bigger threath on jets / helos compared on gepard.
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replayed it yesterday it’s definitely a lot better, new ammo crate mechanic lets you spam too
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You can tell OP has never actually used PGZ09. Also, can we give a shout out to the beloved WZ305? Yeah, China is the goods.
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You got that backwards.
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Why should SPAA be uptiered after receiving better ammo? The Ju-288 just got 2 mini nukes and its BR didn’t change. Same for the British 12000lb carriers.
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Well, there are no such thing as ‘China bias’, I don’t see any Chinese vehicle OP in for over a month. Instead the fact is many people are like, because one Chinese vehicle either PGZ09 or J7D or J7E or ZTZ59D1, is under BR’d, this extends to bias. I could say that US at top tier (air) is bias, Sweden and Germany at GRB is bias in the same logic. But none of them are actually bias, China and Russia are always associated together, I’ve seen way too many threads of ‘Pantsir is too strong’, develop into ‘China and Russia have the best SPAAs’. I am not denying that both some players on either side are a bit hostile with each other, but really, China is dragged into things way too often due to ‘Russian Bias’ so called.
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It’s not just the fact that China has loads of overpowered vehicles that ppl are mad at, but also because any time a Chinese vehicle receives buff making it too powerful, Gajin is really, REALLY slow to fix it.
For the first time ever I’m actually considering buying it…
Name a list of Chinese vehicles that are ‘under BR’d’. That is all that I have listed Right there. Of which half of them aren’t even OP. Name other Chinese vehicles that are OP?
They don’t take long to fix compared to other things, just normal Gaijing fix time, like u put a random number generator on with anything above 3 months.
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Nobody is talking about bias lmao. There is no need to. I’m just talking about how it is better in every aspect then German gepard yet it has the same br.
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See the first post in the thread? Many such cases throughout the thread.
See the second post in the thread? Funny how you can read what you want to read.
Yes and I stand by this. Not telling it is biassed but compared to other nations Russia and China has more vehicles that are better than other nation’s ones at the same br. That’s called “undertiered”, not biassed. Stop trying to twist everything always into somebody yapping about a vehicle being biassed when he gives you valid reasons and not just blank word about how it is unfair.
Last thing from me to you. I’m not trying to be offensive, but judging by your profile and the fact that the most vehicle researched by you are in China’s tech tree I understand why are you ignoring every valid reason from every person from this thread calling and proving it to be undertiered and still yapp about us calling it bias.
Ah yes, because someone says an opinion contrary to mine, that means my opinion was never said in the first place. Excellent logic.
And then returns to spouting “bias”. Even in denial of themself. How pitiful, no, pathetic.
Add in a serving of ad hominem, too? Disgusting.
Are you trying to talk about the topic of the thread you created yourself, or returning to claims of “muh bias”?
What are you trying to say? Read it once again please. Nobody is ignoring your opinion. You are trying to tell me how 5 people at max called this whole thing “lmao always trying to find anything to say biassed” and calling it “many such cases” yet you ignore the other like 60 replies that agree with my reasons calling it undertiered. That’s why I said “Funny how you read only what you want to read”.
WHAT? LMAO. Undertiered = biassed? Lost of words rn.
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Gepard is more mobile than PGZ09, has a greater ammo pool, and more volatile Ammunition, and the depression to use it in close quarters.
PGZ09 has thermals and lrf, which are good, except for the fact the only thing they can hurt at range are light tanks and maybe the sides of medium tanks. While it has AHEAD, it has poor functionality, and doesnt take much to avoid.
PGZ09 and Gepard could probably both move to 8.7 or 9.0 and be fine. But i don’t think they should, and i dont think there advantages warrent it.
No way they could share the same BR as M247.
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And why is that?
The Gepard is no where near as good at anti air as the M247
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