I don’t want to say anything about the idea that you think PGZ09 is strong and should go to 9.0 (although I don’t agree with it), but it has nothing to do with some of the “interesting things” you claim and “some things that always happen”. If you are uninformed, you still think that China is some kind of OP faction, and it can be compared with Russia.
Thats over a 50% increase in HP/ton - its a higher HP/t then the M18 hellcat.
ItPsV is fine at 8.7.
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Due to the political views of some War Thunder players (especially Americans), which consider nations like China and Russia the “enemy”. Naturally, by association, their self-victimization causes the claims of “Russian bias” to be extended to “Chinese bias” by the same people.
Some of these people are quite obviously expressing their inner political views. Especially important is the influence of confirmation bias and group reinforcement of such misguided beliefs.
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the ItPsV 90 is insanely fucking fast, it has 1500HP and is mounted on a LEOPARD 2. It can (with skill) win entire games a minute into the match by vaporizing the enemies first push, and allowing your team free roam over half of the map
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…what?
Simply speaking on an objective basis, I think the PGZ09 should be 8.7. Yes, AHEAD isnt perfect, but the advantage it gives to SPAA work is considerable.
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So you just made a dupe thread?
Its to discuss the 8.0-8.7 SPAA
Not only the PGZ09 and Gepard
this a thread about Gepard vs pgz09
the one I made is more specifically tailored to Gepard vs ItPsV
U have bo idea how armor etc works.
The statcards are bad and domt reflect anything
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go to the new thread I made and discuss there
well that didn’t work.
Say again?
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well, fair enough I spose, but the realistically you wouldn’t even be shooting the hull of either considering the absolutely MASSIVE foreheads these things have, or at least the ItPsV
there is enough idiots that do
The hull is the largest target available. And as others have said, it is much faster than the Gepard.
You know what, I’ll just say it now, even though it’s probably too late and the grave is dug
I’m not asking for the ItPsV to go down
I’m asking why the Gepard isn’t higher
And yeah I spose reflexes say shoot the hull even when there’s a massive paper turret like with the ItPsV
Why should Gepard be 0.3 below M247, which is the best SPAAG in the game ?
Because the Gepard is just the OG, really.
Take a look at ALL its counterparts,from the Chieftain Marksman to the ItPsv. Every single one of them either has a better radar or it has a IRST,LWS,LRF,TWS radars,controlled suspensions,AHEAD rounds,Thermal sights or it is simply faster. It has no reason to be at 8.7,in fact it’s quite good and balanced at 8.3
Because it’s just not that good lol. At 8.3 there are two direct upgrades to it - Type 87 and PGZ09. People just complain about the Gepard the most since there’s more of them.
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hmm. ok. well I guess I made the classic mistake of comparing stat cards considering I don’t have either.
I spose that’s fair enough.
Considering I have nothing left to say, I will accept that I may be a fool, and seal myself in my grave, which is probably 60 feet deep by now.