Skyguard 3 system
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Did the JGSDF M8 Greyhounds ever use the anti-aircraft cal. .50? I’ve seen it mentioned, but in every actual photo of a JGSDF Greyhound I’ve always seem them without the cal. .50.
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I’m trying to find the photo of it I swear I saw it before.
Would the M20 and M39 make a good 1.0 spaa or its bit modern for it?
M20
M39
Did they used a LVT(A)-5?
Also found this
Komatsu SU-I
Mitsubishi SU-II
The M59 (right) next by the Komatsu SV prototype 81mm self-propelled mortar (center) and the Mitsubishi SX prototype 107mm self-propelled mortar (left).
idk if these would work in game
M4 M5 M8
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I considered including the M20 AUC, but decided against it for the same reason I didn’t include it in the USA megatree I haven’t completed. It wasn’t intended for either frontline combat or as a anti-aircraft defense, except in the sense that it could defend itself from aircraft. Out of all of the lightly armed vehicles that came out of that era, the only ones I’m in favor of adding are the American scout cars (M1 and M3 series) because they were effectively armored cars. The only real distinction between the American 1930s armored and scout cars is that the former were turreted and the latter were not. Otherwise they intended to fulfill mostly the same duties, just with the armored cars having a larger focus on offensive firepower, in the sense of their armor and not their armament since both armored cars and scout cars were only armed with cal. .50 M2 HBs (37-mm M3 not introduced until 1939); and scout cars, as the name suggest, focusing on reconnaissance.
There were other scout cars that came out after the interwar era, notably the British Ferrets and the Soviet BRDMs, but these fall into the category of being too lightly armed and being too late. I guess this could be a double standard and a bias for American vehicles, but I think my logic is fairly sound in that. Though, that wouldn’t apply to the Ferret Mk. 2/6 and Mk. 5 ATGM carriers or either the up-gunned BRDMs like the Azerbaijani ZKDM or the over dozen of ATGM carriers based off of the BRDM-1 and BRDM-2.
Japan did import an LVT(A)-5 in the 1950s as a study reference, but they never used it in actual service. It was imported around the same time that the M47 Patton, the M36 GMC, and the M37 GMC were all imported as study references for the development of the STA/Type 61 TK (M47 as reference for tank design and M36 as reference for 90-mm gun mount design) and the Type 56 HSP SY (M37 as reference). I don’t know what the LVT(A)-5 was used as reference for, though. It’s already included in the hypothetical tree as the premium.
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Yes
I saw photo of Japanese M8 with .50
But can’t send it now
One can be seen in the forum suggestion:
I also found about 3-4 other photos of Japanese M20s, and a couple of the M8 (albeit the M8 did not have the .50 cal in these photos).
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Oh. I was dumb and didn’t make out the machine gun the first time I looked at that. :v
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Yeah besides the compression of the image it doesn’t help that Japan used the short .50 mount it seems.
I also saw some models of JGSDF M8s that show the same thing, although I’m not sure if they’re based on real photos or not.
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Firefly, Sherman 76, T-34-85 and many other contemporary vehicles have the same 0.027 dispersion. Meanwhile Japanese Type 5 75mm Tank Gun still has 0.07, which is also what most 1.0 BR 37mm and 45mm guns have. Obviously those guns didn’t have the same exact dispersion in real life. At any rate the historical value for the Japanese gun is 0.015 - 0.03 & 0.038 depending if HE round dispersion is included.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/1wWioLD2SQst
In reload speed the same gun also lacks bit behind Panzer IV and Sherman 76, despite having turret ammo racks: 6.5s vs 5.9s.
In game reload rate fine tuning is considered as a balance thing, so does someone consider Chi-Nu II or Chi-Tos to be overperforming on their BR?
qaz already made a report about it with historical source. 10 rounds per minute would indeed be closer to 5.9s. This is in specific about the TANK mounted gun.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/AtLWLmyZXWRj
On open top tank destroyers mounts the Japanese gun lacks even further behind. Marder III and M10 GMC were both buffed to 5s reload, while the Na-To with far more space has 5.9s.
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Japan imported multiple LVT A5s and did use them for actual service for a short time, but the examples they received were in really poor condition, so they were retired after a very short service time.
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Are there ANY MBTs Japan could get at 9.7? From any Asian nation. I feel like 9.7 could be a very good BR if Japan got an MBT there
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M60A3 TIFCS from Thailand… yeah that’s all I can think of. The Filipino Sabrah LT maybe, but thats not a MBT.
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9.7 ? uuh, only M60A3 TIFCS comes to my mind atm. Majority of other MBTs are either top tier or nowhere near 9.7.
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DO we have ANY ideas for what japan could get from these sub-tree nations that could fill the 10 to 11 gap?
Indonesian Leo 2A4 comes to mind.
Quite a lot actually
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Not particularly. There’s some light vehicles that could go in that gap, but there will always be a gap in mainline MBTs at that range.
Would the type 4 ha to work in wt?
There was a blueprint photo showing it can depress to the roof not sure if it’s still 50+ degrees. I tried to use a ballistic calculator to see the drop range of the shell and lowest depression, came out to 7 meters I probably missed up somewhere.
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Not really, there is an obvious lack of onboard ammo storage. Not to mention, the gun was muzzle loaded, and so it needed to be positioned at a vertical angle as seen in your image, whereas a small crane would hoist the shell into the barrel.
So even though it looks pretty cool, it’s ultimately just a fancy carrier for a heavy mortar. In this photo, you can even see how the length of the “barrel” is an illusion, as there is pretty much just a bunch of metal superstructure to help guide the shell in while loading.
As a side note, when I was younger and less knowledgeable, the RTS game Men Of War: Assault Squad 2 had me under belief that the Ha-To fired rocket-assisted shells, something that it unfortunately did not have in reality.
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