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AFAIK most are just fake. But I could be wrong

I think most of them have appeared on actual vessels, but they were usually just merchant vessels or other auxiliaries. There are a few of the camos in game that did appear on the ships that actually used them though.

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Well, it was only her or Nagato left for the premium position. I guess that wait now is for economic data to see which she is …

1920s fit :( was hoping we would get 1940s Hiei with the prototype Yamato pagoda

No way in hell Hiei would be the Rank VI premium, seeing as it’s arguably worse than the Yamashiro

The distinctive feature of the Hiei was that it was equipped with a tower mast as a prototype of the Yamato class. Introducing the Kirishima in its final form and making the Hiei a premium ship in its old, pre-renovation form…to be honest, I think they should have switched the Hiei and Kirishima.

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Cool, thanks for letting me know!

Couldn’t agree more. I also think it’s a bad choice for a premium like that, woukd literally the worst compared to the others

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After checking GitHub’s Datamine, it appears “fatalExplosion”: false has been added to Yamato’s secondary guns/high-angle guns/anti-aircraft machine guns ammo storage.
This may resolve the issue where any explosion other than the main gun’s charge would inevitably cause a sinking explosion.

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Found this as “40mm anti-aircraft guns mounted on an Akizuki-class destroyer”. The main gun turret shape and placement are similar to the Akizuki-class, same for torpedo crane

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I’ve never heard of this before, but apparently the Akizuki-class was once equipped with four 40mm anti-aircraft machine guns. Bofors or Vickers? Anyway, don’t you think a premium Akizuki-class would be a good choice for a newcomer? The Suzutsuki, in particular, has a square-shaped bridge, additional triple 25mm machine guns on both sides, and the Kikusui mark on the funnel. (The armor also has a picture to identify enemy aircraft.) The Yukikaze is quite powerful, but like most IJN destroyers, it primarily serves as a torpedo carrier. I think a premium ship capable of artillery combat would be welcome.

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The Hiei battlecruiser was added to the dev. But the model is not finished yet + the Hiei has incorrect main battery turrets modeled… And the funny thing is that the Hiei has more armor than the two three Kongos…
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It’s a shame Hiei doesn’t have the pagoda…

2.48.0.23, Hiei’s armour added and more detailed internals

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Shell rooms and magazines are super vulnerable to capital ship guns when not angled

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Gaijin’s logic is simply off the charts…




Where is the Kongo armor for others, gaijin?

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How amusing it all is… They implemented ALL the Kongo armor BEFORE the upgrade, but they don’t want to give the upgraded Kongo armor, bravo!


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I have included a short thing on Amatsukaze below for those unfamiliar, basically a Japanese equivalent to the Charles F. Adams. Also compiled are options for the other nations.

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Why not consider the Tachikaze-class DDGs pre-1984? No CIWS then, and you could temporarily disable the Sea Sparrows. These ships would be more apt counterparts to the CFA instead of the Amatsukaze, which while notable as being the first JMSDF DDG, and having the same SAM system as the CFA, will have slightly anemic guns at its expected BR.

How significant of a jump is RIM-24 vs SM-1? What about compared to the Bravy’s?

Yamato Needs More Hull Compartments ! ! !
I’m a hardcore naval battles enthusiast, and I truly love War Thunder’s naval forces. I’ve researched five naval tech trees all the way to the top. But honestly, does Yamato—maliciously treated by Gaijin—really deserve a BR of 8.7? At the same BR, both the Iowa and the “dev-favorite” Sovetsky Soyuz can easily dominate anything below 8.7. Yet Yamato is the only ship treated this unfairly.

For those who haven’t played naval battles, here’s how ships get destroyed in the game:

  1. Ammunition explosion – instant death.
  2. Crew wiped out.
  3. Flooding and sinking. In-game, the hull is divided into N compartments (usually about 10). The more compartments a ship has, the smaller each one’s hit area, meaning the ship as a whole can withstand more damage before sinking. Conversely, fewer compartments mean the ship is easier to sink. The hull damage model isn’t detailed— even if a shell only hits the upper deck, the entire compartment takes damage. Once three compartments are blacked out, the ship irreversibly sinks (the very front and rear compartments don’t count).

Now, here’s why Yamato is maliciously treated by Gaijin. According to the third destruction mechanic, Yamato has the fewest hull compartments of all bluewater ships in War Thunder—only 8. In comparison, Iowa has 11, Sovetsky Soyuz has 10, and even the smaller Bismarck has 9. This means Yamato can be sunk very easily just by damaging the hull; you don’t even need to penetrate its main armor—just keep dropping shells on the deck. On top of that, Yamato is riddled with ammo racks that explode at the slightest touch, countless hitbox and armor bugs, and its interior is modeled as empty space without any structural bulkheads. Submitting issues with documentation only results in them being dismissed as “not a bug.”

As a monster designed for WWII armor-piercing shell duels, and as the highlight ship introduced in the Leviathan update, Yamato should not be left in this miserable state. Gaijin, you really need to play naval battles yourself and experience just how bad Yamato is. If this isn’t addressed, naval players will only continue to drift away from the game.

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You could, I just think the Amatsukaze is the stronger analogue, but you could add both. The CIWS is something not in-game so i’d omit that, and then you’d have to go to the trouble of disabling the Harpoons or not modelling them etc. So I think the Amatsukaze is a better fit, and of course they don’t have to be at the same BR’s.

The SM-1 uses the same missile body as the RIM-24C with a different seeker initially so its already slightly an upgrade over the RIM-24A used by every nation bar Japan (who used the B). It’s not a huge jump but its a new missile to add. Compared to the Bravy’s missile any SM-1 or RIM-24 derivative is a straight up upgrade in range, speed and warhead weight.

If I’d have remembered I’d have done a short write-up for the Tachikaze also, but this further proves my point, that when the USSR and US are getting their second missile boats particularly with dual-purpose capabilities, when no other nation has them (or at least credibly if you include that thing with SS.11’s), its not for lack of options.