You can DM any of them. They usually get back fairly quickly:
https://forum.warthunder.com/u?group=Suggestion%20Mod.&order=topic_count&period=all
As for sources. I’d have no idea. You could create a thread asking if anyone has sources for them or know where to look
Oh okay. Thank you. I’m determined to get my favorite US cruisers into War Thunder.
It’s been twelve hours since I sent my message to one of them? Is it longer than this? Define quickly please.
Yes.
They are all volunteers not staff. It is also the weekend. Also if im not mistaken. They are short staffed as well at the moment.
Id give them at least a few days and expect a reponse around Teusday/Wednesday next week
Holy crap dude how do you respond so fast any time of
The day?!
Multiple monitors, though I did just happen to be on the forum reading through a dev forum post
lol sorry if I’m annoying. I need to grind USS Alaska before I try my luck with the Oregon city class cruisers suggestion.
What post you reading? I’m excited for the B-66B. I hope they don’t remove the USS Arkansas from the shop. I want to pick it up when it’s discounted so I can skip researching a ship of tier V and get Alaska ASAP.
was looking at the map changes, but nothing of much interest to be honest.
Gunna start work on a post for getting helis a radar signature
Ah okay. Is Wikipedia sufficient for military vehicle history? Or do I need to dig deeper?
What i’ve done before, is look at the sources referenced in Wiki and use those. Wiki alone is not good enough
Hmm okay. Thank you.
I found all the armament info on Reddit. Nice
“USS Oregon City (CA-122), the lead ship of the Oregon City class of heavy cruisers, was laid down 8 April 1944 by Bethlehem Steel Company, Quincy, Massachusetts; launched 9 June 1945. She had 3x Sets of Triple 8 inch guns, 11x Quad mounted (48 Count) Bofors 40mm AA cannons, and 20x 20mm Oerlikon guns in single mounts across the ship. She could fit right under the Pittsburgh at 6.3 from her increased Anti Aircraft mounts. She did have three other ships in her class (Rochester, Albany, and Northampton with more modernized cold war refits. Unfortunately, she would only serve Two years after which being deactivated.”
Now I need to figure out where to find armor stats, radar if it has one, turning time, propulsion, fire rate, crew count, length… oh god there’s a lot to add.
Been looking into alternative DDG’s and FFG’s for nations besides the US given Charles F Adams. There’s lots of good candidates (good being characterised by a dual-purpose SAM nobody wants a ship with pure AA missiles. Below I have compiled a few with the intention of sharing them. I have at least 1 per nation.
I have also chosen dual-purpose ‘low capability’ missiles as precedent is there with Charles F. Adams.
These are short write-ups and things like G limits etc I couldn’t find in the short amount of time I spent looking per vessel.
The County Class Destroyer
(Expect a suggestion for one of these from me soon!)
Starting with the theme of this topic, we have Great Britain, our selection is limited, essentially we have only one dual-purpose missile with a warhead of any significance (and boy is it of significance at 91kg). This being Seaslug (GWS.1/2). Seaslug was exclusively fitted to the County Class Destroyers (and a test ordnance ship not worth mentioning).
Unfortunately our other missiles are: Seacat (GWS.20-24) is near useless in both AA and has a small warhead and no range of note (5km) intended to replace the 40mm bofors (and failing at it).
The other successors would be Seadart (GWS.30/31) and Seawolf (GWS.25/26), both great AA missiles in their own right (though with teething issues exposed during the Falklands), but unfortunately like Seacat their warheads are too small to do anything except to PT boats and aircraft.
As such no other vessels were equipped with significant missiles for the current game, others feature these improved systems with missiles such as Harpoon and Exocet. But these are too good for the game right now and are unprecedented additions.
The Counties
The Counties are first and foremost large ships for the era.The Counties do not possess armour, and have an exposed magazine at the rear for Seaslug, however they do have a strong armament of 2 x twin 4.5" MK.6 guns with a RoF of 24RPM per gun equipped with HE, HE-VT and SAP. Missile armament is provided by a twin Seaslug launcher for 24 missiles (Batch 1 and 2 were virtually identical early on aside from B1 using Seaslug GWS.1 and B2 using Seaslug GWS.2 more on that below). The Counties also feature 2 x 20mm Oerlikons and 2 x quad seacat launchers, rounding off with 2 triple torpedo tubes.
Seaslug GWS.1/2
Seaslug bears a resemblance to the Fairey Fireflash found on the Swift F.7, like the Fireflash it has a huge warhead for its size of 91kg in this case on GWS.1 and a likely similar warhead for GWS.2 of the continuous-rod type. Seaslug like Bloodhound and Thunderbird is a main dart, with 4 solid-fuel accelerating boosters and then a solid-fuel sustainer, giving it an engagement range of up to 27km in the GWS.1 variant or 32km in the GWS.2 variant. Top speed is 1102km/h (M0.9) for GWS.1 or 2200km/h (M1.79) for GWS.2 at an unspecified alt (these numbers look unimpressive but may be at sea level as:) max ceiling for GWS.1 was 17km, and for GWS.2 20km. The missile is beam-riding with a radio and impact fuse on GWS.1 and an IR proximity fuse on GWS.2
Kashin Class Destroyer (Project 61)
This class was the world’s first large series of gas turbine-powered warships making them notably very fast for their displacement. Their primary armament is the M-1 Volna (SA-N-1 Goa) missile system, a dual-purpose weapon with a not insignificant warhead of 33kg, already featured on the Bravy we know (and loathe).
Unfortunately, the Soviets’ other systems, such as the Strela-2 (SA-N-5), are point-defense missiles and are completely useless for anything but AA duties or lack dual purpose capabilties, other ships with this system also feature ASHM’s from the get-go. Whereas the Kashin’s (though some were upgraded with the designation 61M for this) did not feature ASHM’s as standard.
The Kashin’s
The Kashins are light and fast ships due to the aforementioned gas turbines. They have no armour at all and exposed magazines both fore and aft. They’re armed with 2 x twin 76.2mm AK-726 guns, which have a very high rate of fire but unfortunately are smaller in calibre lacking punch for anti-surface duties.They also feature 2 x M-1 Volna launchers as on the Bravy, additionally a single 5 tube torpedo launcher is present.
The M-1 Volna
The M-1 is already in-game featured on the Bravy.
The M-1 Volna is a navalized version of the SA-3 Goa land-based anti-air missile. The missile has a solid-fuel rocket motor that gives it a top speed of over Mach 2.5. Its engagement range is about 15 km, with a ceiling of around 10 km. The missile is radio-command guided and has proximity fuse and impact fuse. It has a high explosive fragmentation warhead of 33kg in-game.
The Amatsukaze Class Destroyer
My selection for Japan was limited, however easily there is a very direct counterpart to the American Charles F. Adams-class: the Amatsukaze-class. This was Japan’s first guided-missile destroyer and, rather than designing a new system, they bought the RIM-24 Tartar system as on Adams-class. JDS Amatsukaze was the only ship of her class. Her armament thus makes her a near perfect analogue. Subsequent classes featured the SM series of missiles, which I’ve deemed too good for now, as well as Harpoon’s.
The Amatsukaze
The Amatsukaze is small but is decently equipped, unfortunately smaller guns, though they have a high RoF. They have no armour, the main armament consists of a pair of single 3"/50-cal. gun mount, which is a fantastic gun for both anti-air and anti-surface roles but limited in numbers. Their missile armament is a single RIM-24B Tartar launcher located at the stern. The Amatsukaze also features two triple torpedo tubes for anti-submarine warfare and anti-ship warfare.
The RIM-24 Tartar
The RIM-24 Tartar is an American multipurpose Anti-Air and Anti-Surface missile. In-game it is featured with SACLOS guidance. The missile has a solid-fuel motor with a top speed of Mach 1.8 an effective range of 16km and a 30.8kg blast fragmentation warhead which supposedly has both impact and proximity fusing. It is on a twin-mounting.
JDS Amatsukaze features the B variant with an improved motor for a 30km range.
Here’s a link to a suggestion on it you should go and support:
The Lütjens-class Destroyer
Germany’s only possible class is essentially a lightly modified carbon copy of the Charles F. Adams making it an easy addition with no real controversy. The BRD went straight from WW2 era destroyers to this, and the DDR only used missile corvettes either armed with pure AA missiles, or dedicated ASHM’s which I’ve discredited. The successor to the Lütjens was the F124 Sachsen class Frigates much too modern and with the aforementioned dedicated ASHM’s as the only anti-surface weaponry. Interestingly the vessels were also Germany’s last class of destroyer, with subsequent vessels being coined frigates or heavy frigates.
The Lütjens
The Lütjens-class is, as mentioned, a near-identical twin to the Charles F. Adams-class. They are unarmoured, but their armament is strong enough. They’re armed with 2 x single 5-inch/54-cal. Mark 42 guns, one forward and one aft, which are a great dual-purpose weapon with RoF and punch as on the Charles F. Adams . The missile armament is a single twin-arm RIM-24 Tartar launcher as on the Charles F. Adams. The Lütjens also features two triple torpedo tubes.
The RIM-24 Tartar
The RIM-24 Tartar is an American multipurpose Anti-Air and Anti-Surface missile. In-game it is featured with SACLOS guidance. The missile has a solid-fuel motor with a top speed of Mach 1.8 an effective range of 16km and a 30.8kg blast fragmentation warhead which supposedly has both impact and proximity fusing. It is on a twin mounting.
Here’s a link to a suggestion on it you should go and support:
Type 103 Lütjens class guided missile destroyers- The Last "German" Destroyers of the Cold War
France is the first nation with what i view to be two viable options. One of the French ships here is confusing to me as a naval enthusiast, but I’ve tried my best. The French went for a rapid response to the missile era, modifying an existing post-war gun-based AAW destroyer, and sticking the US-made RIM-24 turret on it. This culminated in the T-47 Class AAW variant.
The T-47s are conventional (though French style) destroyers with impressive guns for anti-air warfare in the 57mm bofors, itself an improved 40mm bofors arguably the best AA gun of WW2, though they lack any sort of AP round in French service, and the theoretically compatible Swedish AP shell was solid shot. They do also feature decent torpedoes in 2 triple tubes. The missile armament is a single RIM-24 Tartar launcher.
The RIM-24 Tartar
The RIM-24 Tartar is an American multipurpose Anti-Air and Anti-Surface missile. In-game it is featured with SACLOS guidance. The missile has a solid-fuel motor with a top speed of Mach 1.8 an effective range of 16km and a 30.8kg blast fragmentation warhead which supposedly has both impact and proximity fusing. It is on a twin-mounting.
Here’s a link to some suggestions on them you should go and support:
AAW version: T47 destroyer Du Chayla
ASW version: T47 destroyer Maillé Brézé
Gun-destroyer version: T47 destroyer Surcouf, the last contre-torpilleur
The other possible French vessel is the Suffren class which is much more advanced a true upgrade.
The Suffrens are a decided improvement on the T-47s. They have no armour but are built for speed as all but the most modern French escorts are and also feature much improved firepower. They’re armed with 2 x 100mm Mod.68 guns which have a high rate of fire (60-78 RPM) making it an exceptional platform for even traditional gun-fighting given the caveat that its a missile ship and it too lacks an AP round. The missile armament is a single twin Masurca launcher with a magazine of 48 missiles and a 5 tube torpedo launcher.
The Masurca M.2/M.3
The Masurca is a massive missile a French design influenced by their prior usage and study of the RIM-24 and also the RIM-2 Terrier offered to them as part of an upgrade. It weighs in at 990kg with an enormous 100kg semi-armour-piercing (SAP) warhead. It’s a two-stage solid-fuel missile with a maximum range of around 50km and a top speed of Mach 2.5 (3060 km/h). The missile is beam-riding, guided by the ship’s radar, and has a proximity fuse. The SAP gives it a unique penetration capability against armoured targets, though I am unaware of its HE filler.
Here’s a link to a suggestion on it you should go and support:
Frigate Suffren, France's first missile-launching warship
Italy too has multiple options for viable options for vessels, one being another Charles F. Adams analogue and the other being a marked, Italian, upgrade.
They were Italy’s first guided-missile destroyers, and they were also armed with the same American-made RIM-24 Tartar system. They are essentially a smaller, Italian-designed hull with a proven American missile system, making them a perfect fit.
The Impavidos are relatively small destroyers with no armour. They’re well-armed, with 2 x single 5-inch/38-cal. Mark 30 guns, this is already present in-game and is an effective high RoF dual-purpose weapon. The missile armament is a single twin-arm RIM-24 Tartar launcher with a magazine of 40 missiles. The Impavidos also feature two triple torpedo tubes for close-range engagements.
The RIM-24 Tartar
The RIM-24 Tartar is an American multipurpose Anti-Air and Anti-Surface missile. In-game it is featured with SACLOS guidance. The missile has a solid-fuel motor with a top speed of Mach 1.8 an effective range of 16km and a 30.8kg blast fragmentation warhead which supposedly has both impact and proximity fusing. It is on a twin-mounting.
Here’s a link to a suggestion on it you should go and support:
https://old-forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/496736-impavido-class-guided-missile-destroyer-impavido-d-570/
The second vessel is the successor to the Impavido’s and a marked upgrade bristling with weaponry.
The Audace-class is a more modern and larger design than the Impavidos. They have no armour but are built for speed and have exceptionally heavy firepower. Their main guns are 2 x single
Otobreda 127/54 Compacts, one forward and one aft, which are a great dual-purpose weapon with a high rate of fire they have a variety of high explosive shells, however in Italian service do not use an AP shell, though the gun was designed to be compatible with US 5"/54 ammunition which includes an SP Common Mk.42 shell with AP (as found on the Mitscher, Knox etc).
The missile armament is a twin arm RIM-24 Tartar launcher. The vessels also feature 4 Otomelara 76/62 mm Compact guns, these are well known weapons with ludicrous RoF and more shell types than one could ever list including SAP.
The RIM-24 Tartar
The RIM-24 Tartar is an American multipurpose Anti-Air and Anti-Surface missile. In-game it is featured with SACLOS guidance. The missile has a solid-fuel motor with a top speed of Mach 1.8 an effective range of 16km and a 30.8kg blast fragmentation warhead which supposedly has both impact and proximity fusing. It is on a twin-mounting.
Here’s a link to a suggestion on it you should go and support:
Audace class guided missile destroyers - Not such a simple improvement
Any attention or shares (where relevant) would be appreciated as whilst far from comprehensive and less detailed than I’d like a dedicated suggestion, this did take me the best part of 3 hours to compile and write-up and pretty conclusively provides a USS Charles F. Adams style solution and includes the consideration of relevant refits for all nations aside from the US who have the USS Charles F. Adams.
Sorry for the repeat reply, but I think the more appropriate Japanese counterpart would be the Tachikaze-class DDGs pre-1984.
No CIWS installed at the time, and you could temporarily disable the Sea Sparrows. These ships would be more apt counterparts to the CFA instead of the Amatsukaze, which while notable as being the first JMSDF DDG, and having the same SAM system as the CFA, will have slightly anemic guns at its expected BR.
How significant of a jump is RIM-24 vs SM-1? What about compared to the Bravy’s?
Let’s see Gaijin put Australian Perth class first because it’s easy to copy paste
Compared to RIM-24A in game, longer motor burning time causing longer range, and maybe little bit more fragmentation due to new warhead(but weight is same, so basically no big difference)
So not big difference. Main focus of SM-1 was on improving reliability on missile itself and homing system.
It’s not ideal. Later on I wouldn’t particularly have a huge issue. But first we should get the county class. It’s domestic and unique. Commonwealth additions are great when they’re upgraded versions of British ships, but I’m not a huge fan of unnecessary additions of foreign exports when we have our own. Once we have a county in-game then I’d be perfectly happy with the Perth Class though.
Hi
Thanks for posting the link for the suggestions, it’s really cool.
For France, there’s two last types of ships that could do the job with a missile that would be suitable for sea-to-air and sea-to-sea combat (while remaining within not too high capacities), even if it hasn’t been really designed for it. It’s the F67 and F70 ASW frigate. They all have a Crotale launcher as an anti-aircraft weapon (same launcher as the ITO-90).
Interesting a sailed ship had Crotale :P
Yes of course, the Hermione had Crotale missiles to drive out the English during the Battle of Louisbourg, but that is not recounted in history. : )
