Gameplay Is Becoming Increasingly Monotonous!

[_Marco]

there is tanks that are mainly built for that. Also you can decrease the risk of getting sniped by adapting.

[_Marco]

That might be an unpopular opinion but what made gameplay less fun in my opinion as well is the laser rangefinder automatically adjusting the range for you.
A couple of years ago it only told you the range like normal rangefinders, just faster and more precisely. But you had to aim yourself. That lead to people not instantly hitting you pixel perfect across the map. It really made sniping battles more intense and you couldn’t get killed from a random guy across 3km as easily.

And it wasn’t that it was harder to aim, which I loved, it was that it was harder to get hit.

[Bowman_1]

Glad I found this thread when I did instead of making my own:

Completely agree. Getting very bored of:

• Tanks, especially light, completely covered and invisible thanks to bushes plastered everywhere, to absolutely no disadvantage to the user in terms of optic obstruction. These are apparently able to be shot off yet you have to hit the exact point of placement, rather than being able to blow them off with even a 20mm HE shell.
• Awful maps, spawn-to-spawn shooting prevalent on many upon spawning. Clear advantages for one side of the map compared to the other.
• BR compression making so many vehicles unfun at best, unplayable at worst.
• Artillery vehicles/HE slingers forced into the game in frontline positions, that will touch absolutely anywhere on your tank and destroy it in one hit. If they miss, turns out some even have autoloaders! LRF’s too!
• Hyperfixation on vehicle statistics to balance them, rather than actually playing the game and listening to the community.

As for ARB:
All good until you reach top tier. 11.7+ is terrible. It’s spawn in, hit the deck, speed towards a furball and get absolutely bombarded with sounds from your RWR, engine and seekers. Jets below 11.7 are enjoyable, they feel faster paced than props but slow enough to actually focus on the game and have skill expression. Top tier feels way too fast paced and just a missile slingfest.

[_Marco]

@Bowman_1

Tanks, especially light, completely covered and invisible thanks to bushes plastered everywhere, to absolutely no disadvantage to the user in terms of optic obstruction.

That’s not as much of a problem, you just need to know the maps. It’s possible to avoid being exposed to any flank or falling victim to campers on every map.
If you find the perfect balance between driving too aggressively and too defensivly and become aware of the match situations you won’t have big problems with that.

@Bowman_1

BR compression making so many vehicles unfun at best, unplayable at worst.

I really think for most vehicles it is the map design that makes them unplayable. The BR compression is barable, especially since when you get uptiered there can only be a capped amount of tanks that are 1.0 BRs above you.

@Bowman_1

Artillery vehicles/HE slingers forced into the game in frontline positions, that will touch absolutely anywhere on your tank and destroy it in one hit. If they miss, turns out some even have autoloaders! LRF’s too!

This is very true. Unfortunately overpressure in War Thunder is not realistic.

[Bowman_1]

@_Marco

That’s not as much of a problem, you just need to know the maps. It’s possible to avoid being exposed to any flank or falling victim to campers on every map.
If you find the perfect balance between driving too aggressively and too defensivly and become aware of the match situations you won’t have big problems with that.

Can we please stop pretending like it’s some kind of skill issue? Bushes hide weakspots and make you impossible to see on certain tanks. It’s not a map issue, not a player issue, its a bush issue. They offer an unfair advantage, and even if someone argues that they’re purely cosmetic, why can’t we be allowed to disable them in settings? Of course, you’re right that you can probably mitigate the advantage they give by playing extremely carefully, but is that really fair? Some guy can spend some money, slap bushes all over his tank and all of a sudden you’ve got to stay in first gear all game?

@_Marco

I really think for most vehicles it is the map design that makes them unplayable. The BR compression is barable, especially since when you get uptiered there can only be a capped amount of tanks that are 1.0 BRs above you.

I think the map design is a factor for some vehicles, but overall the compression issue goes far beyond that. Majority of games are a full uptier at this stage, especially around the 5.7/6.7/7.7 range.

@_Marco

This is very true. Unfortunately overpressure in War Thunder is not realistic.

I would rather bring back Hull Break. My vehicle gets overpressured by a HE shell hitting the end of my long barrel, but my 100mm solid shot rips through the transmission of a BTR-80 and it hardly turns red.

[_Marco]

@Bowman_1

Can we please stop pretending like it’s some kind of skill issue? Bushes hide weakspots and make you impossible to see on certain tanks. It’s not a map issue, not a player issue, its a bush issue. They offer an unfair advantage, and even if someone argues that they’re purely cosmetic, why can’t we be allowed to disable them in settings? Of course, you’re right that you can probably mitigate the advantage they give by playing extremely carefully, but is that really fair? Some guy can spend some money, slap bushes all over his tank and all of a sudden you’ve got to stay in first gear all game?

My bad. I though you meant the natural vegetation on maps. I thougbh you were complainign about maps having too many “bushed plastered everywhere”.
Yes, cosmetic bushes do offer a unfair advantage. I wouldn’t be against them being visible in your own scope, like in SImulator. In Sim you have to be very careful when placing bushes and you can’t cover huge parts of the turret.

@Bowman_1

I think the map design is a factor for some vehicles, but overall the compression issue goes far beyond that. Majority of games are a full uptier at this stage, especially around the 5.7/6.7/7.7 range.

I wouldn’t be against conventional tanks being sperated from modern stuff in some way but Gaijin will probably never do that.
I actually made a propose for that but it was very unpopular:

Splitting Tech Trees in Modern and Conventional

We currently have a situation in War Thunder where the heavy BR compression leads to rather modern vehicles over performing conventional tanks when fighting against thick armor. I think this is a commonly known problem of the game (even though it isn’t gamebreaking) So I would like to have the tech trees split between modern and conventional. But instead of just splitting the tech trees into 2 I would like to add a 3rd “transition- rank”, so the tanks that are modern but just not as much woul…

@Bowman_1

I would rather bring back Hull Break. My vehicle gets overpressured by a HE shell hitting the end of my long barrel, but my 100mm solid shot rips through the transmission of a BTR-80 and it hardly turns red.

Reintroduce Hullbreak

I know what some of you who got triggered by this topic are thinking right now, so let me make one thing clear; I think that hullbreak, as it was in the game already, was terrible. I do not want a revive of these mechanics as they were. I just believe Gaijin shouldn’t give up on it just because the way it was implemented the last time was a failure. Hullbreak is simply a too essential mechanic for that. I mean there is many points that speak for these mechanics: Balance: Without Hullbreak, w…

[Bowman_1]

@_Marco

My bad. I though you meant the natural vegetation on maps. I thougbh you were complainign about maps having too many “bushed plastered everywhere”.
Yes, cosmetic bushes do offer a unfair advantage. I wouldn’t be against them being visible in your own scope, like in SImulator. In Sim you have to be very careful when placing bushes and you can’t cover huge parts of the turret.

No worries mate, but yeah the bushes you put in your decal slot. They’re very obviously P2W and seeing people tryhard by literally covering every square inch of their vehicle in them is annoying enough itself lol

[Herojure24]

@_Marco

Yes, cosmetic bushes do offer a unfair advantage. I wouldn’t be against them being visible in your own scope, like in SImulator. In Sim you have to be very careful when placing bushes and you can’t cover huge parts of the turret.

If you somehow manage to put the bush at the end of the barrel you will be able to see it since the RB camera is inside the barrel.

But yeah they could make it so if you obstruct the actual optics your view still gets obscured even if you are looking through the barrel.

one of the reasons I like the ELC BIS. The scope is so far off the side you can bush up entirely and not worry about scopes. (don’t worry I only use bushes extensively on like 3 rat tanks)

[Bowman_1]

In the latest list of total fun-ruining bullshit: my CR3 getting penned straight through the mantlet at over a kilometer by an autocannon light tank simply holding left click until enough shit sticks to the wall and a shell pens. No aiming required, no skill, just hold left click and:

• Barrel is destroyed
• Shot pens and crew dies/tank destroyed
• Optics completely blinded by smoke from the shots, leaving you almost completely unable to fight back.

These top tier autocannons are completely fun-sapping additions to the game

[QTip_44]

@_Marco

Also, I don’t know much about diablo 2 but by the looks of it the maps aren’t that complex. I highly doubt that randomly generating War Thunder maps would even be possible.

Some of the maps in Diablo II are HUGE once you get to the higher difficulty settings.

The Act 3 has some outdoor maps that seem to span kilometers, and the walking character can take long time to cover it all - navigating forests and rivers and like WT, red-zones that can’t be bypassed.

Also in 3rd Act are some indoor maps that are quite complex, with dozens and dozens of rooms and multiple paths to get to the rooms. In many ways they are similar to maps in war thunder, but on a scale for pedestrians as opposed to vehicles.

Maps like Sweden and Attica (with forced paths) are quite similar to maps in Diablo II.

(and for the record I absolutely hate Attica)