wow i wonder why its so monotonous. maybe because im playing the same bullshit battle over the chalk circles since 2013
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One important point I wanted to address is that Gaijin’s attempt to improve light tanks through reconnaissance is a problem.
Gaijin has tried to compensate for the disadvantages of light tanks through the reconnaissance mechanic. However, the disadvantages vary from light tank to light tank; most have very poor armor, but many have very good mobility, others have good firepower, and others have good survivability. Some are very similar to medium tanks (TAM → Leopard a1a1, Ikv.91 → Leopard 1, DF-105/Clovis → AMX-30, Leopard) in terms of their performance, but there are others that are extremely different from most other tanks in the game (M18, Fiats, BMP-1, Bradley, etc.). Nevertheless, ALL are buffed by the same mechanic; I think this only fairly compensates for the disadvantages of some light tanks.
Instead, the map design should allow all kinds of tanks to exploit their advantages, without any hypothetical reconnaissance and drone mechanics.
So, there should be advantages on all maps for highly mobile tanks, for tanks with good cannons, etc. Above all, this would also help medium tanks, which actually play a bit like light tanks but still don’t get to enjoy the reconnaissance mechanic.
For example: Today, the DF-105 has the reconnaissance mechanic, but the Leopard 1 doesn’t. The DF-105 is essentially just a Leopard 1 with a worse shell but a better reload time. Both play very similarly; in fact, you could argue the DF-105 is even better. If maps were designed to give mobile vehicles like the Leopard 1 or the DF-105 gameplay opportunities, both would benefit equally, and there wouldn’t be an imaginary line between medium and light tanks that would grant light tanks an advantage that relatively equal medium tanks don’t get.
So, in plain English: Good map design could allow tanks to take on roles based on their stat cards, rather than pressing them into one-dimensional categories and simply giving all light tanks a mechanic.
Likewise, Gaijin has already desperately tried to give TDs an advantage through mobile ammo reloading. What many of these tanks really need, however, are varied maps where they can also play according to their tank design.
For example: Does the ammo reloading mechanic help an IT-1? Yes, absolutely, it can simply stay in cover! Does the mechanic help an ISU-152? No, at least not that much, because it has a 27-second reload time anyway and will very rarely run out of ammunition. What’s needed are maps where you can use the ISU-152 as a casemate tank with huge gun and reload properly!
Diablo 2 made the game online to where the map changes always its never the same. It would be COOL to see that in newer games refardless genre. For example, still keep historical maps, but also add random generated maps also that are not replayable a second time for some player vs player matchs. Ofcourse, peiple will come say this is not a good idea. Thats fine. Im open to negative comments and constructive criticism.
That or include dynamic maps like in enlisted/battlefield/hell let loose in which when a set of objectives are achieved we move into another section/stage of a map and a new set of objectives is to be accomplished.
They also could put a set number of respawns allowed per match no matter how many vehicles are in your lineup like in SIM, where making real tactical/situational choices would matter more than going through a list by elimination and finishing the match with your worst vehicle instead of choosing what you need to accomplish that particular challenge.
We have many maps that are using the same areas, el alamein being a good example, having some urban terrain, oasis/ish type and the dunes would make for some unique matches while using large areas and would allow for so much more varitety in the gameplay loop.
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I like your ideas. You got a good brain!
I mean it’s like basic FPS/milsim game modes lol.
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The problem with that propose is that you definitely cannot assure that the maps would have all the aspects I was talking about. In War Thunder maps must meet certain criteria to be good.
Like World of Tanks, War Thunder is about making your tank work on the maps. Not knowing the maps would ruin much of that.
Also, I don’t know much about diablo 2 but by the looks of it the maps aren’t that complex. I highly doubt that randomly generating War Thunder maps would even be possible.
Just look at this map.
What even are your options with a highly mobile light tank? Half of the map is red, you can’t go anywhere than the center.
The best thing you can do with a mobile tank is maybe going to some corner and camping there.
That’s the problem with Gaijin trying to make the game more simplistic, it becomes stupidly monotonous and a lot of tanks don’t even really have any tactical purpose anymore.
If people struggle with tanks that don’t just engage from their front they should play Arcade.
This kind of stuff is what will kill this game. And people should not be distracted by the player counts, they are mainly the effect of War Thunder gaining a lot of attention from cinematics on TikTok, World of Tank players switching over from their dying game, War Thunder actually being less buggy than years ago and a lot of people joining because they want to play the very cool new stuff like Leopards or Abrams. Of course the Leopard 2A7V attracts more people than the Chieftain Mk.3 that was a toptier tank years ago.
The core of the game is getting destroyed with stuff like this. That’s a mistake even Wargaming never did.
If there is a lot of new players struggling with Ground RB which is the most popular game mode, then you should make the more easy alternative which is Arcade more appealing for them, so they can get to know the mechanics, tanks, maps etc. there.
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This map is a new low, not only is the map design itself bad, they red-zoned half of it on top of that.
I got this map while playing a majority light tanks lineup, it is no wonder so many players leave after the first death even though spawn costs are at an all time low and even though you now get a bonus for achieving a certain amount of kills in a match.
As I’ve said already, I don’t think that this is a problem of “wallet warriors”, they have always existed. It has a lot to do with map design.
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One way to change the monotony could be, of course, much larger and better-made maps. But another thing that would be interesting to me would be to vary the respawn and capture zones on these larger and better-made maps, changing the bases in certain games, from north to south, to east and west, making the maps more dynamic and not always requiring going to the same point on the map.
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Varying capture zones and spawns is nothing I would oppose.
But I think that the most important thing here is fixing the maps themselves. I think fixing the issues I described is essential for the game, otherwise it will just die.
The map issue is something that needs to be completely updated. All maps need to be larger, and those maps with half-blocked areas should be eliminated altogether, as they’re hideous and absurd.
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Making the game accessible to the premium market.
You dont see single point caps at the lower tiers 6.0
But at top top tier at 11.0 is a single cap point and smaller maps.
Gaijin dont want long games it increases waiting times. And new players statistically prefer call of duty style gameplay and don’t like sniping or tactical play/learning maps.
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Honestly? Go the centre, there are no rules saying flanking needs to be along the edges of the maps. Be a rat in the building area, and use that to sneak around the sides of enemies. I do agree that map does suck, but not because it’s smaller/CQC only.
Another issue, is that people will instantly spawncamp if given the chance, which means Gaijin can’t add massive flanks on maps. This is just made worse by them already being bad at designing decent maps.
I think removing the markers in arcade might actually make it more appealing to the average non arcade player. SPAA is more powerful, CAS is less opressive (I think), and without markers it wouldn’t feel like WoT+, but rather faster RB which is exactly what many players want. Arcade is also unappealing because RB players a massive superiority complex, and very few CCs make arcade content.
Because it is boring. Gaijin can’t design good long range maps so everyone thinks it’s just camping behind a hill a peeking, and no one likes that.
So what players do instead is 3rd person peek from a building overlooking the route from the spawn…
Much better.
The end game is alwaysd to get to the enemies spawn and players will ignore objectives to just camp the spawn and farm easy kills. This is further exacerbated when thats what the YouTube “pros” are doing. When was the last time you saw a CC get a nuke without camping the spawn…Doen’t happen and Gaijin wont make dynamic spawns. the whole border near the enemy side should be the spawn and not just 2 stupid dots on the map.
I do agree with your Arcade mode removing markers, RB is just Arcade+ right now
gaijin shall let player design the map and send to Gaijin and let player to vote for approval
You are right with that. But without the game having any kind of tactical depth and with the game just being about rushing into the middle of the maps with your brain turned off, I don’t think it will ever have a big player base like World Of Tanks for example. When new players get more experience they will eventually realize how pointless the gameplay is.
Obviously that’s not a viable option for the average player since light tanks were under performing so much that they got those special treatments.
Also camping like a rat often times just doesn’t work due to the scouting and UAV Drone features.
This couldn’t be more true. There is so many RB players that flame players for playing WoT or Arcade even though they themselves only serve as free kills in RB.
First of all, there is a lot of players who like that.
And I don’t think anyone asks for maps where sniping is the only viable thing to do. Personally I think there should be a lot more maps with sniping spots simply because there is a lot of tanks ingame that are built for that.
You need to make sniping possible in War Thunder in order to give tanks such as Nashorn, Waffenträger, Object 120 etc. a purpose. This is the core of why I opened this discussion, to give the none-average tank a purpose again.
I don’t want to take away the medium tank gameplay which is more CQC based, I just don’t want the whole map to be CQC. I want a lot of different playstyles to be possible on the maps, including CQC.
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Oh, absolutely… Nowadays, there are nights when I dream about old matches in the old big Kursk map. I guess sniping just doesn’t have the same appeal for the influx of new players arriving. Close brawling always was the monotonous thing for me, so now with less options for sniping and long range flanking I’ve been playing less and less and probably will eventually stop completely.
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sniping lowkey annoying
Gaijin is trying its best to make the game good! But you guys aren’t buying enough premium vehicles! /s
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