I cant find thedev blog, but multiple youtubers have talked about it since.
These bragging rights contests have really no impact on the discussion either way. The evolution of the game over time is a mix of content plans and commercial interests, as well as to some degree, game balance.
If Gaijin believed that TO mode would be profitable and a net positive, they would implement it with no hesitation. Aircraft legacy or not.
From a player perspective, I like the interactions made possible by having a combined arms mode, but I do believe it has balance problems. And those have affected aircraft as well, since plane nerfs triggered by GRB balance, have also affected planes in other modes.
To me, it makes no sense for players to oppose the addition of a TO mode. Gaijin has their commercial and technical considerations, but players do not. It would not take anything away from anyone, it would literally just be adding. Like I’ve said before, I for example would play both modes.
That doesn’t mean “TO or bust”. There are other solutions too. Some of them are also more plausible. I’m fine with that. What I don’t understand is why you would seek to deny players, access to a mode you yourself wouldn’t even play (I guess).
It’s like if tomorrow Gaijin decided to add Naval SB and I, a non-Naval player, said I’m against it. Like… What?
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I’m fine with that. What I don’t understand is why you would seek to deny players, access to a mode you yourself wouldn’t even play (I guess).
It’s not that I’m seeking to deny anything to anyone. It’s just that most arguments for TO mode are not really arguments, a lot of these players just can’t seem be arsed to learn playing aircraft so they go on forums and reddit and decide to be vocal about it there. It’s just what WT community is. If Gaijin finds a way to add TO mode that will not not impact current GRB in any groundbreaking way (5minute queues etc.) ,then please, go for it. It would make a lot of players happy and that’s fine by me.
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https://www.youtube.com/clip/Ugkx2TGGKvchp1_4jXdNi0DAUwD-ErD_WukK
Here is something they have said, that ended up being not true…
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Why should I or anyone else for that matter, be forced to play aircraft, huh ?
I don’t see Air players being forced to play tanks, they can enjoy their standalone mode and be done with it.
Why are you imposing rules what players should and shouldn’t do ?
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You’re not forced to play aircraft. But they are and always have been part of the game that you chose to invest your time in. Say I’m playing a game of Counter Strike and the only weapon type I know how to use are automatic rifles. By your logic I should go to Valve forums and demand that AWP be removed from the game because I don’t know how to use it. Sounds rather ridiculous doesn’t it?
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In some BRs they are the only real counter for other CAS, so yeah, I will be at a big disadvantage if I don’t use them.
That’s a ridiculous argument to make, @AurenKarach talked about it above so I don’t feel like repeating it.
Gaijin is here for the money, so I’m sure they would have absolutely no issue in getting rid of the Air game mode and/or Air tech tree pretty fast if it becomes a financial burden for whatever reason.
There’s no sentiment here, everything is being done to make more money, your “legacy” means crap.
Not even close.
First of all, there are players, even on a professional level, that don’t want to be bothered with using AWP and are nothing more than riflers, so playing CS without using the AWP is more than possible.
One thing to note, automatic rifles are more than capable of countering AWP, while the same can’t be said for most ground vehicles in a fight against aircraft, right ?
Second of all, I’m not here advocating for the removal of aircraft, I’m just asking for a game mode that has only tanks in it, which should be more than reasonable since Air has the same thing going for it. Also, Ground tree is big enough to be able to sustain itself so you can’t use that argument against it either.
Finally, since you started drawing comparisons with CS, I will follow your lead here.
Imagine a pretty open custom map in CS, where most players will start with nothing more than a knife, and all of a sudden someone gets his hands on an AWP and starts clubbing knife-only people.
Yes, most non-SPAA tanks are basically a knife that are going against the CAS, which is the AWP in this case.
Clearly it isn’t that much fun to loads of people.
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In some BRs they are the only real counter for other CAS, so yeah, I will be at a big disadvantage if I don’t use them.
You’re still not forced to play them, there is no requirement that forces you to spawn an aircraft
There’s no sentiment here, everything is being done to make more money, your “legacy” means crap.
That’s where we partly agree, I’m well aware that WT is just a business in the end. Though I’m fairly certain that aircraft being hardcoded in ground battles have nothing to do with “legacy”.
Finally, since you started drawing comparisons with CS…
CS was the first thing that came to mind since pretty much everybody knows it, played it and can relate to it. Of course the comparison isn’t perfect but surely you see what I meant there. I’m sure there are WT e-sports players who’d rather pick a tank instead of a plane, but that doesn’t mean they have no clue how to fly it, and that’s the problem with the arguments for TO mode that we’re mostly presented here by all the angry anti-CAS players.
I’ve said it on my previous reply and will say it again. I’ve no issue with Gaijin adding TO mode if they figure out a way to do it correctly, meaning it will not interfere with the modes we have now in any significant or groundbreaking way. What I’ve always had issue with is the arguments players are presenting for the introduction of said mode. In short - I can’t fly for shit, therefore Gaijin NEEDS to add TO mode for us.
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Even without aerial vehicles the other players make the game unplayable… Half don’t even have a neuron
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That made me laugh xd.
Not forced but will be left helpless in that case, which is sub-optimal, don’t you think ?
Adding aircraft on top of ground vehicles surely wasn’t a big problem for them to do, since they already had a bunch of aircraft modeled in the game as well.
Also, I’m not sure how big Ground trees were at that time, so some “filler” could’ve been needed, just like in Naval now.
WT e-sports players are “pros” competing for rewards, just like CS pros compete for real life money. It’s basically their full time job to be proficient in everything they could use during a match, so I wouldn’t really like to compare those kind of players with your average one, who is playing the game just for fun.
Most of the arguments for TO comes from the fact that tank vs CAS engagement is inherently unfair, which will make some people angry, and rightfully so.
Also, what’s wrong if you can’t fly for shit and generally aren’t interested in aircraft ?
I don’t see Air mains being ridiculed because they have no experience driving tanks.
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Not forced but will be left helpless in that case, which is sub-optimal, don’t you think ?
Honestly i wouldn’t know, since i’ve played aircraft since 2013 and only started ground trees in 2018, well after they were introduced.
WT e-sports players are “pros” competing for rewards…so I wouldn’t really like to compare those kind of players with your average one, who is playing the game just for fun.
You threw in the CS pros, I just wanted give the comparison to that. Otherwise I agree.
Most of the arguments for TO comes from the fact that tank vs CAS engagement is inherently unfair, which will make some people angry, and rightfully so.
That’s where I don’t agree at all. Most of the arguments are just pure whining, a lot of them straight up vulgar attacks towards CAS players just because they enjoy what they’ve been given in the game.
Also, what’s wrong if you can’t fly for shit and generally aren’t interested in aircraft ?
There is nothing wrong with that, but then a question presents itself. Why would you decide to invest countless of hours of your life playing a game that you know largely involves using aircraft, has been an aircraft only game in the past, and had aircraft in ground battles for a decade now and not have general interest in aircraft at the same time? Doesn’t make sense. Any sense.
We’re getting into a vicious circle now. Can we at least agree on that adding TO mode would be absolutely fine, provided no major issues pop up to the game modes we have now?
Guilty. Regardless of BR I will camp enemy helipads in a heli and kill those that spawn.
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MoD? People still do that?
Insert shocked pikachu face meme here.
Your argument is irrelevant, we have line-ups in war thunder, you have a choice of changing your type of vehicle according to the situation. And if you dont know how to use spaa then you are supposed to have a plane as well in your line-up.
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You don’t have a choice to change the type of unit You are in. You can choose what You spawn at the beginning of the game and after You die.
Only air units can be left on the airport without death penalty
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Which I find weird…imho, they should also allow a despawn zone for intact tanks. No refund for any SP, just like for aircraft, but also no death on the statcard.
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Being vulgar is never a good thing, that’s where we can agree.
It’s pretty simple, there’s nothing around with similar mechanics.
For sure.
Okay, let me quickly J-out from my ground vehicle and spawn something else. That’s fairly sub-optimal if you ask me.
You ignored the fact that some SPAAs are literally helpless against certain air vehicles, while being at the same exact BR.
If I’m keen to do some air vs air fights I would just queue ARB and be done with it, it’s one click away.
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No the helo, not the aircrafts are a nightmare - the reaper and orion drones are. Three vehicles lost in one match yesterday to a stupid drone revenge.
For me, get the drones out of Ground RB
Should never have been added, the negative reception from their introduction from the community should have been alarm bells for gaijin… But no, not only was they badly implemented, they also had the cheel to sell us the means to counter them with the 2s38. Their BR has gone up twice along with their spawn cost and people still want them removed. Drones were hands down the worst addition to ground 2nd to helicopters.
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