My point is that it doesn’t matter which tank you choose to say it is shit. In my world things can be easy or hard. And even the M42 or M19A1 are good. Maybe not as effective as others but not shit. Some would say shit but I watch out which words I use because it becomes my reality at this moment.
If I always say russia is OP in WT I start to play like it is and it becomes my reality. Same with CAS (to get back to topic)
For me CAS at all is a minor problem. CAS-spam can become a bigger problem. The tools are all on the table but many many players don’t want to use them and try to tell this or this is shit. But in the end it is their lack of knowledge and will to get better.
Let me use another example.
The Panther D and A are both good. But the A is absolutely better.
The world is not binary. It is analoge.
For you it is not. For others, it is.
And it is not just about feelings.
Let me use an example. The B1 ter. I absolutely hate to play with that tank. It is one of the worst tanks i have ever played. Yet, what is my K/D? Almost 10 (9.75)! And all that with a trash crew.
No matter how i hate it, it does not change the fact, that is is an utterly unbalanced tank. It does not matter how much i hate it, when i can just go through an entire enemy team with it, without having to think much.
There are some people who will deal with it without any issue (myself included), just like there are players that are good with SPAA. Most of them however, are not like that.
I know this is not the best example, but it illustrates a point.
(and before anyone would start to be a smartass, no, i do not want that tank to be removed. the B1 ter (and the bis) situation can be solved with BR decompression, but CAS can’t be solved to be fair in both directions)
Okay I get the feeling that we are talking about the same things in a different way but mean the same but also got some different experiences to point out our oppinion. To keep it all together I just say you’re right with what you say.
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Nothing dishonest.
A dead airplane can’t harm anyone. For now the message pops up before the aircraft is dead though.
You on the other hand keep bringing in statistics from Arcade into this RB discussion, although they have zero relevance in this topic.
Just like all those videos of bombing runs in Arcade, where enemies on the ground are highlighted by markers…they have zero connection to the mode that is being discussed here.
I’ll just follow your logic here and post this statement that is completely unrelated to the topic:
CAS in Ground RB is not overpowered, because in SB pilots are locked in their cockpits and don’t even get friendly markers, thus making it hard to properly identify their targets, especially with all the lend-lease/captured equipment.
1, Which tank can get multiple (5+) kills in a few seconds, or instantly on a regular base?
2, Which tank can do all this from outside of the enemy tank’s ramge?
3, If CAS is not OP, why is it the decisive factor in many matches?
4, If CAS is not OP, why do CAS have a much higher K/D, than tanks?
Malazi could kill tanks in planes in his simulator videos, in simulator mode. All he needed is some practice.
Also, this thing of no markers, and everything, well, if you see that the enemy is capping a base, then you don’t have to have a lot of brain power to realise, that dropping a bomb there would get you at least 1 kill.
And not having the ability to see where teammates are, did teammates nearby enemies ever stop bombers to just carpet bomb that area? Or nuke it with a PE-8?
- Any tank with an autocannon and the M50
- Any early ATGM tank also most IR SAMs regularly get matched up against aircraft that have no countermeasures and no guided ammo. Not at that rate though.
- Aircraft rarely decide matches. More often than not I see the team with more air players lose.
- Where are these global stats from?
Also: you have completely missed the part, where I called my own claim ridiculous and detached from the topic, because it was following your logic of bringing up how CAS works in different game modes in this RB topic. ;)
Just so you know: any screenshot or video with stats from arcade battles, which is the only mode you are playing, has absolutely no value here and is nothing more than spam.
As for the second part of your post:
Of course it is possible to spot enemies, but it is significantly harder than in AB, where they are all neatly marked for bombers to just wipe them out in one bombing run.
Just dropping a bomb on a cap that is being captured by the enemy will only work with 1000+ kg bombs, as everything below that requires a direct hit on anything besides lightly armored vehicles, which in turn requires the pilot to actually see the vehicle they want to bomb as opposed to just bombing a zone.
And bombers not caring for collateral damage are just scummy players, who do more harm to their own team than the enemy.
PS: I still don’t understand why you even participate in this topic, when you are not even playing the game mode in question.
You can surely provide evidence, that they can do it regularly, at any BR…
With shit aim, low range, low speed, no survivability, etc.
We can ask @ULQ_LOVER about that. He “only” has 66% win rate in a plane with ~6 K/D…
Any player i see using CAS. Currently i have a lot of screenshots about CAS player stats that kill/try to kill me. Once i averagred ~100 (or so) of them with hand on a long bus ride, and it was around 0.3-0.5 K/D, i don’t remember.
I am working on a program that can grab the data from screenshots, and average them.
It’s almost finished, tho it has issues recognising the decimal dot in numbers, like 3.12K, it recognises it as 312K.
I don’t have global stats, nobody has outside Gaijin, but it is at least something.
Also we can look at ULQ’s stats, he only had the T14 and the KV-220 with comparable K/D, both of which are blatantly OP tanks.
You can support it with some evidence, right?
Which does not stop from bombers annihilating enemy teams. Or any plane to be honest.
Sure. So next time i die in a moderately armored tank to a 500lb bomb many meters away, does it mean that the guy who dropped it is cheating?
There we agree :)
Not to mention 9 K/D on T18E2 which is my little ‘pride’
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In general 9.3-10.3 cas is handheld because AA are thrash and aircraft ordinance is practicaly the same. How are you supposed to take down a drone at that br even?
Damn, i overlooked that. Isn’t it interesting, that only a selected few (usually OP permium/event) tank can get high K/D?
They can. They just need their targets properly lined up for them. Just like a CAS player.
Excellent optics, low speed and no survivability is no problem, if you stay further than 2km from your targets with 90% of your tank hidden behind terrain
I think, I don’t have to tell you that while @ULQ_LOVER shows what is possible, his performance is still far from the norm and can not be seen as representation of the average impact of vehicles on their matches.
So no proper stats, I thought so. I bet you are also aware of the fact that ingame stats and those on thunderskill also contain AI ground vehicles killed in the air modes in their ground kill count?
I need evidence for the claim that stats, videos and screenshots from a gamemode with bombing reticles, markers, barely any flight physics, etc. are irrelevant for an RB discussion? What next? Are you also going to tell me that I need evidence to claim that stats from Call of Duty can’t be used to balance weapons in Battlefield?
In Arcade, which is not being discussed here. In RB this rarely happens.
If it is more than 5m away, you will be fine.
It’s something I guess.
what a mature and well thought of argument…such eloquence and reason. Still, there is no explanation about why you keep meddling with topics about a game mode that you are not participating in.
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Which only happens at reserve tier 90% of the time.
Even if you grant this to you, it still can not do it instantly, like bombs can.
Whcih is not outstanding.
Except that they will be 1hitted most of the time, while early ATGMs will need more than a single hit against anything with more than 3 crew and a bit of armor.
With some of them having less than 2km range?
Which still can be hit, and any HE shell will OP you.
Also due to low missile speed, you will have to have the enemy present themselves for 10+ seconds, which does not happen any time.
how interesting, that none of these is needed for CAS to kill a tank :)
He has more or similar K/D in planes, especially that one, than his tanks, with the only exception of some OP premium/even tanks.
Still more than you provide whenever i ask you :)
Who said i care about their plane stats. I only care about tank on tank K/D.
First you say direct hit, now you say further than 5m. You are so consistent.
There is this saying: Stupid answer for stupid question.
I have explained (and others too), that you don’t have to play in RB to know that planes are OP.
What’s going to be the next?
You will claim, that you can’t say that murder is wrong unless you are a murderer?
Wow, not a single one of your answers is based anywhere in RB…the entire post, from the beginning to the end, is completely false and just shows your cluelesness and immaturity. 🤦🏻
Btw: anyone who plays RB, the mode that is being discussed here, knows that nothing of what you wrote is correct, thus no further sources are needed. It’s all there to see for anyone who actually plays what is being discussed here, unlike you.
I’ll just follow your lead and go to a Call of Duty forum to whine about how I get oneshot by pistols in DayZ and how OP they are…that makes just about as much sense as your rambling here.
I’ll just ignore your posts from now on and I suggest that any RB players, who wants to discuss RB do the same.
Perhaps you should change your nick to: 0_RBgameplay.
Yeah, that’s why every single of your counters to my examples is whining about me not playing RB
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Thanks for admitting that you have lost :)
Regardless, if i were clueless, you could easily debunk everything i say, yet you haven’t done any of that.
Thanks for admitting that you have lost :)
And what did you win? Nothing … Congratulations. Exchanging opinions is not a competition in which you can win. Whoever started this rumour must have had a really hard time in life.
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Not opinions. There were facts. he could only cry about me only playing arcade, and accusing me of being clueless.
If what he says were to be true, he could say something meaningful to them.
Funny thing is that he still couldn’t back up any of his claims, which might have to do with him not playing the mode in question. All “proof” he keeps bringing up is from Arcade and is based on mechanics that are not present in RB.
Your facts. Your facts are based on your experiences and perceptions. These can be completely different from those of others. You can even take normal statistical data and show it to 10 people. You will get 10 different answers.
In both of your cases, I don’t care who said what and when or what might be right. Just claiming to be the only truth seems to me to border on arrogance.
And that’s my perception of the whole thing. You don’t have to like it, you don’t have to accept it. At most, you have to respect it.
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Nonsense. There are no “your facts”. There are facts. You can’t say, that by your facts, a circle is a square.
I made a claim. And then provided evidence.
I did what i had to do. I met my burden of proof.
The next step would be, that he uses his evidence/logic to dismantle mine, if he can.
he didn’t even try, he just went full on with the “you are an arcade player, now stfu”.
You have all your right to do so.
I only respect what’s reasonable. I am not respecting someone’s beliefe in flat earth for example.
Nonsense. There are no “your facts”. There are facts. You can’t say, that by your facts, a circle is a square.
It makes sense. Even you choose what you want to believe and what not and which “facts” you think is acceptable. But everyone is supposed to believe what you say here?
I made a claim. And then provided evidence.
Your claim, your evidence.
I did what i had to do. I met my burden of proof.
The next step would be, that he uses his evidence/logic to dismantle mine, if he can.
A discussion cannot have a winner. Everyone puts forward their point of view and in the end everyone decides for themselves whether they can accept some of it or not. If not, it’s not the end of the world. Go your own way and stop with the kindergarten “I’m right and you’re wrong …”
If you are so convinced of your “facts” then that’s ok. What are you afraid of? It really triggers you emotionally when someone tells you that you lack experience. I can even understand that.
But those are your emotions. Even if he says you’re stupid. His opinion based on his facts. Are they correct? For him, yes … And? Does that have to affect you?
I only respect what’s reasonable.
And this is where I will end my discussion with you. It seems to me as if you think you are above things and can look down on others. You don’t have to find everything reasonable and you don’t need to like everything but respect is an important part. It shows clearly where you think you are. I can guarantee you that the drop from up there is hard.
I was up there … but believe me … there is always somebody who is better or got more experience.
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