Gajin, answer to your misdeeds

[Mr_Kiryu]

[WARNING: This will be a VERY lengthy post that will go over a single issue that particularly pisses me off]

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You wanna know another thing that grinds my gears and that I think has gotten PAINFULLY obvious with the new addition of the F-16C PoBIT?

THE FACT THAT GAIJIN AT THESE LENGTHS OF DEVELOPMENT EXPERIENCE DON’T KNOW HOW TO EVEN MODEL MFD’S CORRECTLY

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For those who have already read my posts you likely know at what I’m hinting at, but for the sake of introductions I’ll elaborate.

Ever since I joined the forums as an active participant I’ve dedicated my time to researching avionics, mostly MFD’s, as I find that part fascinating as it gives you an insight into how different companies and Air Forces solve the problem of conveying information to the pilot.

Things such as the Stores Management System, fire control radar display modes, HUD, RWR displays, Sensor Fusion and many other aspects are often SO SLOPPILY HANDLED FOR CHEAP GENERAL SOLUTIONS WHICH TAKE ANY CHARM, PRACTICALITY AND FUNCTION FROM THE AIRCRAFT

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And this personally bothers me because there is source material for MOST aircraft, and even those that are rare have records, descriptions, mentions in books and aviation magazines, etc.

However, ever since the PoBIT got released it BAFFLED me how Gaijin could just add it as it was.

Which was, either have and ADI display and TWO RADAR SCREENS, or… THREE RADAR SCREENS

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Keep in mind that this is the same aircraft series that has been seen to be implemented with an HSD in its modern variants, with a proven SMS, and many more, yet we got this disgrace…

And the worst part of this is that, this is not exclusive to just the F-16, other aircraft like the Kfir family of aircraft, MiG-29 Sniper, Eurofighter, Rafale, Mirage 2000, and many more suffer this exact problem and this leads me to the next point.

How is it possible, that a company such as Gaijin with the amount of developers and researchers are incapable of delivering fully fledged MFD’s, and often reports of these missing capabilities are shoved under the rug or just sitting on pending for implementation until the “right time” comes.

And the incredible thing is that, this isn’t an issue when it comes to sources, because MOST Air Forces pride in showcasing their equipment in videos and promotional material.

Like, this isn’t the case of Air Forces in decadence that constantly recycle video footage (such as the Ecuadorian Air Force does) in ever release, BUT EVEN THEN YOU CAN STILL GET VALUABLE SNIPPETS FROM IT.

On the internet you can find footage from simulators, pilot’s recordings of their cockpits, official documents, statements, standalone pictures, and despite ALL THIS, we still get MFD’s such as these I’m about to present:

Click to open the Cockpit Lists

F-16 (all variants) – The F-16 family is missing the Stores Management System, more detailed Fire Control Radar Screen, HSD, and even more additional MFD modes for the PoBIT variant due to the Center Pedestal Display. Cockpits such as the F-16I Sufa are still missing their RWR’s display screens being totally digital

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Eurofighter Typhoon – There are several missing MFD modes, such as the ADI, accurate ADI (small square MFD), Azimuth Fire Control Radar Diplay, Fuel and Fuel Tanks Status.

Kfir C.10 Block 60 – Several missing MFD pages, Stores Management System, HUD Display Mode and Tactical Situation Display for the main two MFD’s, while the center once is inaccurately assigned for RWR when it is actually a Navigation or EFIS display, the ADI small square display is still bugged as the image shows.

Rafale (all variants) – Missing an accurate ADI display.

Kfir C.7 – Missing the Stores Management System, Navigation Data, Air-to-Air Display Mode, Air-to-Ground Display Mode.

Mirage 2000 (all variants) – Missing accurate RWR, ADI, and map displays, as well as a Tactical Situation Display for the later variants.

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And the worst part is that, if these changes and features were just a matter of decoration or consensual reluctant historical accuracy one would not find this issue, however, these MFD modes are part of the official capabilities of every platform, which are key to the aircraft’s performance, quality and comfort, specially in SIMULATOR BATTLES.

[PantherBait]

Its almost like the only way to get them to listen is to do that thing we did on steam a few years back that had them panic.

But we cant talk about that because then the players organizing is bad for business. Sounds like the players need a union.

[yjie1028]

@ScottishGuyYk-live

noone is stepping up to restart that movment

“Why I have to?” is the answer. The imbalance of content is deliberately cause by Gaijin in the aim to prevent a united dissatisfied of the players. You gotta know human is a ignorance animal, most of them just don’t care about what they cost at the future but the benifits that they can get now. Let’s say I started another review bombing for rebalance and improvement of the game and I asking the public (players of WT) to join, there definitely will appear a tons of voices like “skill issues” “you better quit game” and etc. Why? Because this action put uncertainty on their virtual vainglory, “rebalance” meant the devs might nerf their BMPTs, BMD-4, 2S38, T-58, Su-30SM2, Rafale and etc which they cannot accept so they would try to undermine this movement everytime they can.

[PantherBait]

Hanlons razor is absolute garbage. And the sess pool of thought it climbed out of created a fantastic manipulation tool (not saying you’re using it that way).

Malice and stupidity are neither mutually exlusive nor uncommonly associated with the same individual.

People ARE always malicious. To what extent they are aware of it in themselves, or restrain it is the measure.

Mans heart is wicked, and his desire is always for himself. And those things that folks due for altruisim are usually for the sake of self image.

You attribute things to malice first,observe over time, and then determine if its stupidity or both. Anything else is just foolishness.

Also, you have clearly never been near the leadership of major companies, no insult intended. But not only are they typically foolish, they are usually malicious.

[ReTea45a]

J-15T got the russian ring hms, and alot of planes are missing their propper non radar iff equipment, don’t think gajin cares much about sim

[Mr_Kiryu]

Not just that, there are aircraft like the Kfir C.10 Block 60 which is still missing the SPS-45(V)6, or how some of the Eurofighters can’t put the PIRATE IRST image to any MFD, etc.

I don’t think they’re just not caring, but also the fact that they see modeling these features as time consuming and not worth it just to appeal to the somewhat small sim playerbase.

Also, often bug-reports are just shut down because of arbitrary reasons.

It’s just a whole bag of idiocy most times.

[StShard]

I have never felt more seen in my entire life.
+1

[ReTea45a]

I truly hope that the communication between the community and the developers can be better, feels like it’s a wall currently. I do understand that the developers can’t do magic, but aleast they can be more transparent.

Look up Warframe dev stream, they possibly have the best community relationship and communication in the gaming industry where the leadership basicly talks about their thoughts on twitch and the community is free to ask questions

Hope things will be better after infantry releases and dev time can possible be more freed up for other things.

It is the clear bias that worries me, example is the lofting angle of the fnf missiles, they had a choice and decided to only make the russian fnf missile loft.

[markimash]

@yjie1028

Isn’t changing stats after someone purchased the item is same as scam in EU regulations?

@Kievskiy_Minipig

99.9% they have special line in TOS about it. So by agreeing with it and playing game you legally dont mind this.

If i remember correctly, you are paying for the premium’s rank and ability to research all below and 1+ above without penalty.

They can change stats and increase its rank but cant lower its rank.

[ParryACO-psn]

@PantherBait

People ARE always malicious. To what extent they are aware of it in themselves, or restrain it is the measure.

Mans heart is wicked, and his desire is always for himself. And those things that folks due for altruisim are usually for the sake of self image

‘Evil often drapes itself in the cloak of the righteous.’

But that’s a gross way of thinking. Not everyone is malevolent or malicious. How does this pertain to Warthunder, exactly?

Edit

It’s almost unanimous that the american dreadnoughts need a 10 second reduction (40 down to 30) and the Roma and Italia from 1.3 rpm to 1.9 to 2.0 as well as other things.

[ReTea45a]

Hanlon’s razor

[ParryACO-psn]

Based quote.

Never underestimate the human capacity for brilliance…

And its baffling capacity for stupidity.

[BACKRAGE44428-live]

gaijin try to do anything for the good of community challenge level immpossible

[Invasorgalactico-psn]

Why adding more shitmasters and rng spikes? Just add 5 gen tanks and their modernizations.
About sm-sv, idk too op. Imagine pairing this with the iris-t in 8x8.

[Mr_Kiryu]

What bothers me is that most of the answers given both in dev streams as well as during the official BVVD interview seem to take the player as this unintelligent being unable to understand the game and its future, as if… WE DID NOT PLAY IT AT ALL

Also, another thing that bothers me is that Russian aircraft are those that often get the better treatment when it comes to MFD’s as well as Sweden.

It’s often disappointing the state the developers seem to be guiding the game as well as the way the community is being treated, as if we’re not capable of sentience and understanding.

[Twisted_Oddball]

I remember Justin’s very good comment on the BVVD answer to why they didnt do more of a certain event… Heli PVP I think… completely leaving out the Igla and then Ka-50 vikher spam, and the fact everyone stopped playing it due to that.

They always answer half a question and pull the stalin spin on the rest.

[pooqich]

high quality seethe post

[ScootishGuyYk-live]

Well saying thats not gonna get anywhere, look at the forums alot of people would join people are starting to wake up

[Milashny_Koteyka]

@codehitman22-psn

That’s not a balancing issue—that’s a skill issue. And instead of addressing that or helping players actually learn how to use the vehicle, you came up with some BS justification to add something even more broken.

Hello, Tiger 2? Yes yes, 6.7 worthy.
Honestly the “skill issue” is a great problem of WT which reflects on many vehicles. T20, Tiger 2, Pz IV, KV-1ZIS, T25 and others.

@codehitman22-psn

ANOTHER

Saying it like its USSR who got 10+ wheeld AFVs for last two years, and not western tech trees. Lol.

@codehitman22-psn

So what’s the standard here? Because right now, it just looks completely inconsistent.

There never was standart. My personal best cringe of the situation is the Chieftain 900 story:

1. “We add T-80B with thermals as PART of prototype that sits in a single museum”
2. "We add “technically possible” Kh38s to japan because why not
3. “We add the Oplot in Pakistan in the varian that was never used or tested there because it could be in such config”
4. “We add Object 292 with the configuration that was INTENDED to be there”
   And so on and on
   But when its britain its “nooo chieftain 900 was only INTENDED to be used with such armor, so we add it as 4mm alluminiu, around basic Mk10”!!!
   what an effin joke.

[ARCTICWOLF1941]

Sorry, you wrote a novel. However I assume, its you having a skill issue, or you watched a youtuber who told you false info, my suggestion choose your own path and stop being a sheep.