Yeah, though even then, so many cockpits have so many issues that they hardly care about even that much
Or instead of trying to find ways to punish people bombing, how about we fix the absurd economy? Every vehicle is brought down 50%, and so are all attachment costs. RP and SL gain are kept the same, everything stays the same except the absolute excessive economy.
Otherwise, we could have Double XP weekends every now and then, once a month and on holidays. People would grind a lot more during those times because they can actually progress and not be bogged down by dreadful gains.
So no, there is no need to punish people for grinding, we should instead have a push to make it so people do not bomb as a last resort. Bombing gives consistent RP and SL, which is why people do it. Make the grind easier, and people will not focus so much on the grind.
My aim to mitigate the botters that largely causes the terrible economy we had in the first place. Not bombers in general
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Bombers did not cause the bad economy, it is the complainers on the forums begging for reductions that caused the bad economy. You cried and Gaijin heard “reduce points” and thus they did. You (as in the community) caused this by crying about people just grinding and minding their own business. Instead of conspiring to try and get rid of bombers, realise that nerfing bombers means nerfing fighters too.
This grinding massively destroyed the gameplay and the whole game mode.
Zombing, PVE lobbies ect. are not the kind of gameplay we want in sim and during events, a normal gameplay is not possible.
Sim players “cried”, because they didn´t want their game to be abused for point farming by players who don´t play sim and don´t care about it.
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Blame Gaijin for that one. Sure, people could grind by fighting constantly, but that doesn’t net as much or as consistently as bombing does. These bombers are not ruining anything, they are the product (or consequence) of Gaijin’s inability to make a proper grind. People have PvE lobbies because it is the best way to grind without having to deal with sweats.
I bomb there too because I can get a load of research to grind out my trees, and then I can spade the planes I want and ignore the ones I could care less about. That’s what majority of the bombing community does too. I spaded the entirety of Sweden, realised there are certain BRs I don’t like, and therefore I can now skip over them.
I am top tier in multiple nations, am I a terrible player? No, I just want to get my stuff and then I can retire Pubs by playing in tournaments (official Gaijin ones too), play in Customs, and screw with weird LARPers who demand I ask permission to speak (I love messing with them, especially since I know they are 15 y/o Army Seals and 30+ y/o “I woulda joined, but” folks).
So until Gaining actually fixes the problem, you are going to have to deal with people treating your game mode as the most effective way to grind.
I did make a mistake, I enjoy playing Sim in Customs. Although not everyone enjoys the whole shock of crashing on the runway fifteen times, and then when they get in the sky, my HQ17 has them back on the runway. It does keep out the weirdos that join Custom servers.
BR brackets 5.0-6.0, 5.3-6.3, 5.7-6.7 6.0-7.0 (and then 7.0+ is dead because it costs 18K to spawn a horten and you can, at most, make 19.7k without premium doing a perfect UA cycle).
What do all these brackets have in common?
This image alone speaks a thousand words, so I think there’s no need to elaborate.
Another issue I’ve observed over-time:
A lot of new players coming to sim, unfortunately - a concept that eludes me I’ll admit - just click “air simulator” and hit “to-battle” without performing prelimary research (watching guides, looking up advice, etc.) I don’t fault them - modern games you expect to have the tutorial inside the game, not in manuals, gamefaqs or random forums or youtube videos.
Either way. They don’t realize there’s a “Room selection button.”
PvE lobby is made, prop BRs on denmark with swarms of ju 288.
Denmark is an awful map for props with terrible balance, broken airfield AAA and bluefor spawncamping redfor’s sole forward airfield more often than not while brain-off farming A points and groundbattles knowing redfor has to fly 100 km in a 450-550 km/h topspeed aircraft.
It is also perfect for bombing undisturbed due to size of the map, the aforementioned terrible balance and where bases spawn.
Older sim players see denmark and avoid it like the plague and join lobbies manually and look for fun matches.
New player comes along, presses to-battle and the game looks at the available lobbies for their lineup and… oh look, denmark props with lots of “Players!” and drops them in there and gives a terrible first impression.
And at the same time, player numbers on more interesting maps with fair objectives that even offer rudimentary engagement and for new players (Siciliy, Tunisia, (Winter) Stalingrad, Ruhr, Kursk, Bulge and their ilk) - learning opportunity in intercepting a.i bombers/attackers/survey planes… are lower because of the “to-battle” sorting putting players elsewhere.
Now, I do not have solid data to back up this claim only my impressions and experience in the few times I bite the bullet and go for denmark maps hoping for the rare map layout that offers fun for both red and blue as i couldn’t get in on the tunisia/sicily/fun maps…
Almost always when I play on SB, I end up seeing at least one person asking how to start engine, asking why their plane goes rogue into a nearby hangar and why it keeps rolling whenever they let go of controls. I see this far less often on other maps (it still happens, and I don’t mind it happening - just more… why does it happen more often on denmark? Why is it not more spread out and visible in every lobby, on every map? My hypothesis: “To Battle” and PvE grinders favouring denmark )
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Gaijin put that economy in, that’s not the fault of bombers, that’s the fault of Gaijin being absolutely [this comment has earned the poster 30 days in jail].
Also, Denmark is probably the best PVE map since the people who just want to bomb can stay in their little part of Denmark down in the higher number areas, while the PvPers usually just battle over the sea anyways. It’s absolutely perfect. Sinai is another great map, because it’s large and mostly clear, minus the weird lumps of rocks they added in for no reason. Seriously, Sinai does not look like that, nor does it have rainstorms.
Jets maybe, props it turns into bluefor camping the one forward airfield that doesn’t require 100 km of travel to use knowing it’s easy pickings with no defence.
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I’m usually doing 10.3-12.3 Sim, depending on the country. Why play Sim in props when I can just get by faster by using a premium.
Because props are the coolest part of aviation after weird NASA’s non-combat weird prototype things and the concorde.
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True, I’ll give it a shot once I’m done grinding all my trees
Grind is endless in this game
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Yeah, but once I’m done with the main trees, I don’t have to grind so hard.
Why make a game a second job?
I will never understand.
Well, this should get you 30 days in jail, haha!
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It’s a real bloody shame that you lot are Americans. I cannot even tell you to piss off (in a joking manner) without getting my comment removed. Either way, what rules does calling for pve break?
Because when I started, I wanted to have fun. Then I realised that I was not having fun, I needed more. So now I’m grinding to complete all my trees, so then I could screw around in Customs.
I’m Swiss, my boss is Polish. Our team does contain Amercians, yes, but they are a minority.
The relevant aspect is that the game rules clearly forbid any insulting, abusive and offensive content, and using such language jokingly does not exclude such messages from those general rules.
Btw, you joked in a non-offesive way, so I replied with another joke. All good. = )
3.2. Users may not publish in Game Chats any messages, posts, or images containing:
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3.2.18. Incitement to stop playing the Games, avoid in-game activities, or purchase any content from the Gaijin.Net Store.
Note that while mentioning PvE may not necessarily be punishable (depending on context - this has been discussed at length in other threads…), abusing or harassing players that do not comply with arbitrary calls for PvE always is. That’s the crucial part that I always want to highlight.
My response during Sim EC matches when players ask if it is PvE is simply this: “This is not a PvE game mode.” Luckily I rarely encounter situations where they insist on PvE or get abusive when they get killed by a player, but it (still) does happen.
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Ah, thanks mate. I have ran into people on here and other War Thunder pages (like Facebook) who will go and on about how PvE is bannable (or saying participating should be banned), but never really give an example in the EULA or ToS about why. So thank you again for being like the only person that has actually given a clear statement.
I only said you lot were American just because of the grammar. I forget that Americans have a monopoly on the English language everywhere besides Western Europe and the British and Irish isles. That, and the lack of good humour. By the way, massive fan of the chocolates (Belgian is overrated), but Austria has you beat on the skiing.