Do you have a physical reason for why this would be the case? The 190’s wing loading is poor. It is to my knowledge this would heavily limit its ability to pull.
I think it’s an issue of semantics/definitions.
In the video I linked earlier discussing Fw190s for sim - the content creator makes it a point to draw attention to the distinction of agility and raw turning performance.
Another point is high speeds and the fact that our pilots can sit on 6G+ indefinitely if aced (and with expert 5/5, at around 5.8 or so). Other flight sims have you start blacking out pretty quickly if you try to do the same thing in spitfires as you do in Warthunder.
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It’s MkVb vs MkVc so wingshape is different, but that doesn’t change the effects of G-forces. I dont have the the Vc.
Rather notably, even if you do pass out in WT you retain some degree of control (and with trimmers, full control. You can trim max up-pitch and keep turning with a vegetable in the cockpit) and awareness and it resolves relatively quickly. Il2 it speaks for itself.
Also since I cannot pull 11G reliably without spinning myself to death, here’s an example of WT’s G-tolerance in my mustang instead:
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Genuinely no. They were extremely maneuverable mostly in terms of roll rate. Any 190 pilot that would dare turn with a Spit was a pure idiot and would be a damn fool. And yes I’m talking reality. They didn’t “turn better at speed” the maintained maneuverability at high speeds, but outturning a Spit? I would need like 5 firsthand sources to back that up if i were to even entertain that, considering how often I hear the general consensus of “unmatched roll, amazing speed, low/mid alt performance, turn radius very large compared to contemporaries.”
Because Eric Brown said so (despite being on the opposing side/an enemy). The excerpt is from his book, Wings of the Luftwaffe
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Okay now please explain what an aileron turn is.
It looks like gaijin has planned to add a flap nerf too.
In this post:
You see (i used auto-translation) that a player has noticed that the flap retraction time was multiplied by the factor 3 whilst playing on the dev server…
They didn’t clap spitfires by turning tighter than them, far from it, they were just more agile in roll and able to escape from a spitfires due to their superior dive and zoom and being able to just reverse immelmann without the spit being able to follow, but by all known data they never outturned Spitfires, this article just proves that some guy had the subjective experience that they “turned better” whatever he means with that, cause he sure can’t mean turning circle or time. Here’s a result of an actual flight test conducted with captured fw-190:
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This was in the datamines for the initial dev server release yes, that’s gonna be a real nerf to them.
But tbh they do deploy unnaturally quick as they are right now, compared 90% of other flaps in the game with similar configuration.
am sure Fw 190 A and Fw 190 D they both use same flaps but the Fw 190 D not good like before they are made to be good high alt fighters.
Why the Fw 190 keep getting bad changes??? 😭💔💔
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Not sure if you actually understood what this nerf means for wt - besides the lack of compression at very high speeds the abiltity to deploy flaps quick before a high speed head-on (resulting in the ability to perform snap shots on enemies after dodging their first bullets / shells) was basically their main strength.
I am fully aware of the abilities of Fw 190s irl - but this doesn’t change the fact that Fw 190 FMs are artificially nerfed by gaijin.
Thx for the data mine confirmation!
Oh i am perfectly aware of how much 190s rely on their flaps, this will be a big detriment to an already weak flight model compared to what else sits at the BR and will make it harder to exploit what few advantages you do have.
As for if it’s artificially nerfed or not… i couldn’t say, I’m not an aerodynamic expert with deep knowledge on how a 190 should perform IRL, but i have no reason to think Gaijin has any reason to intentionally reduce their capabilities without some foundation in data they have access to. People love german planes and if anything it would make more sense if they got artificially buffed to satisfy the Wheraboos, from a business point of view.