Don’t think the FWs have really been good in a long time, their FM used to be bad and now they’re just average, it’s not really the best at anything.
Took it from old forum as I couldnt find it quick, didnt have much time back then.
Having no clue about certain things is nothing to be ashamed of - posting nonsense is something you should avoid.
If you dig enough you find a lot of evidence that at least the earlier Fw 190s had zero problems to clap Spitfires, some mock-up dogfights between 109s and 190s were decided by pilot experience, power needed to fly the plane - and altitude/speed - the lower the alt and the higher the speed, the chances of the 190s got better.
30 seconds google - Spit Mk V vs 190 A:
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I wasn’t talking about no f15s my guy. I was talking about ww2 planes like bf109s flying perfectly fine with just one wing in WT.
Gotta love these tripple-vaxxed calves thinking that War thunder flight models involve anything other than typing Climb rates and turn rates into an Excel sheet lol
You are both referring to a hoax - there is not a single primary source confirming any “warnings” - i explained it here:
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Yes it was a toxic response, but I thought the same thing from your post. What the Fw190 started out as and then became are also too different things. The later Dora is getting more like a P51 than the thing it started as and has different handling characteristics in the game.
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The plane, by contemporary accounts did seem to have a better turn ability than in the game. Same with P51. They weren’t turn-fighters, clearly but there could be improvements. I only use Fw190 for Air Arcade Assault (it’s nice to have one mode where the other players are incentivized to be somewhat cooperative). The Spitfires and 109s feel very accuate, compared to other simulations. The Japanese planes, same. But the 190 seems too wooden. At any altitude.
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Thank you. I was thinking everyone had gone mad when recommending the FW190s. I thought I was going crazy for always losing any fight. But then I tired allied planes like the Spitfire or the Yak. I was blown away by how much better they turned without being that much slower than the D13 or D12. While I find the FW190 to be the better boom and zoomer still, I never go in a turn fight and only ambush for a short moment these days after having learned the lesson. If I don’t get it on the target, I disengage immediately, because I am going to lose otherwise. That has earned me many insults so far, but also the best results. (I must add that I only fly fighters in GF)
When I compared this to irl reports about the FW190’s performance, there was just no comparison.
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Especially Yak-3s are absolutely insane in WT, Spitfires will also outclimb and outturn you.
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Agree to the Yak-3s. Best weapon against them: B7A2.
The old forum is full with posts regarding open and hidden nerfs of 190s - and the lousy FM of 190s regarding turn.
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190s used to be a lot worse even I think, but they’ve never been great in my experience, although not as insanely bad as the Do 335s.
I did once get the Yak-3 for France and I easily do a lot better in it that in any other plane, it’s so far ahead of the competition and easy to fly.
Agreed, i got also the French Yak 3 from the war bonds shop (years ago on inactive account) and i died mainly just due this damn low rip speed and low crew skills as this was my 1st French plane…
I will be making a bug report lets get the fw190 fixed in sim without raising its br, as it it will be to high in br to be effective with the minengeschoss nerf and this rediculas nerf to the engines cooling.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/F0pJjFX91qvo
this was a baseless nerf, no sources
that is totally unnecessary.
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they keep nerfing the flight model and I’m trying to find sources to fix the flight model so please help me with this endeavor.
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how is the f8 5.0? Anybody know?
BnZ planes are not fun at all to play in WT air quake with spotting mechanics that put a giant HERE I AM whenever you are 10km from someone. Its not fun spending the first 5 minutes climbing to ensure you have the most energy, and its not fun spending the majority of the match running from players that have more energy than you after your first engamement. It doesnt help that the games are designed to end fast either which makes this playstyle even worse because playing like that either your team evaporates or the other team does and you are in a hopeless situation either way.
Playing russian props made me never want to touch german props ever again. Only place bnz planes are fun is sim battles, because there is no nametags, and matches last longer. If only gajin cared about sim, in the current state its just bots farming rp/sl and people not wanting to touch it because awful rewards because of said bots forcing gaijin to murder the rewars structure.
Two things:
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USSR props benefit from dev bias towards USSR planes. That’s why most of their props (like the US planes) are under-BRd despite their flight performance requires objectively higher BRs.
On top of that: The average USSR player has the same skill level of the average US pilot - that might contribute too. So if the wt meta in props consists mainly of low to medium alt furballs it is logical that under BRd USSR aircraft dominiate those low alt turnfights vs German and US aircraft - whilst they got clapped by JP fighters.
It seems therefore logical that experienced players are able to benefit from rather low BRs of USSR fighters- especially since the massive 20 mm ShVak buff which transformed (together with the ballistic “update”) the weakest 20 mm into a “one-tap” killer with sniper precision.
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I agree that on standard maps in full lobbies the role of BnZ fighters (like 190s or P-47s) became useless - it is correct that most matches are decided before they are even at 5 km alt.
But as soon as you play in small 6 vs 6 matches you can make them work - excessive side climbing still pays off - but almost nobody has the patience for that.
Without the FM and engine nerfs i would have bought the JP Fw 190 A-5. Just because somehow i had up to 40% matches on Pacific maps (in constant full uptiers to 4.7 and 6 vs 6 matches) and not a single JP plane is able to catch diving Wyverns or plain P-47s.
So i bought via war bonds the premium UK P-47 at 3.7 - and i am now the untouchable guy. As soon as you are above 5 km you are safe and you can outrun and outclimb them; not even the busted Ki-44s can touch you. And you cabn BnZ like there is no tomorrow. As an additional benefit: You get usually an air spawn (whilst carrier based fighters have a mandatory carrier take-off) and the contrail alt on most Pacific maps is at ~ 6.5 km.
Regarding 190s:
I put them aside and use just the F-8 to fulfill BP bombing tasks in Air RB. The last task (kill 3 players with a bomb of 1.000 kg or more) was done in 4 matches just with climbing to 7 km (and flying a wide loop) and saying “hello” to some guys on their forward airfield. If you turn off your engine - there are no contrails.
But thanks to the engine nerf you have to nurse your plane home - too much WEP or just after 15 minutes your engine is quick at “flashing red” at 83° Celsius (which was previously “white”); not the best situation if some really angry guys are chasing you…
gaijin overemphasises fire power on brs