So, I’d like to talk about the BR for the French ground vehicules. In my opinion, some of them have a too high BR for what they rly are.
I’ll talk about the AML-90, AMX-13-90, Lorraine, Char 25t, AMX-50 (TOA100, AMX-50 Surbaissé, Somua SM… Basically, most of the 7.7/8.0 lineup.
I actually think they all should be decreased to 7.3 or 7.0 BR at least. Why? They’re great tanks, ngl, they aren’t bad, but this 7.7 or 8.0 br is nonsense for them. They don’t have a canon stabiliser. And they get full uptier approximately 3 out of 4 games. This means that their advantages are generally limited by the fact that they come up against tanks that are far more technologically advanced (which is another nonsense).
AMX-50 Foch at 7.3 is a good example, as it is much more balanced at this BR. It therefore seems logical to lower the rest of the tanks I talked about to at least the same BR level.
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amx 50 series is fine in general same for amx 13-90, maybe less for the aml, but for sure the char 25t and amx 50(To90/930) are overtierred and doesn’t belong this high.
I do a lot of nukes at 7.7 with the somua so it is a fine lineup other than this.
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7.7 Vehicles are fine where they are.
Char 25t and the AMX 50(To90/930) are overtiered, the dev’s are aware of this, but br balancing do not applies to French tanks. Honestly, i do not remember the last time a French tank got a br drop.
This is a waste time trying to discuss this subject anymore.
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Somua has trolly armour though, no other French tank can take a hit.
These tanks are a nightmare to balance and the skill level of players that use/used them (remember the insane repair costs)
I do think an Amx 50 should not be facing some of the tanks it routinely sees. But then should it be allowed to murder the WW2/ early cold war tanks?
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I’d say giving char 25t and amx-50 (930) the heat round could be a stop gap if no br reduction is planned
amx 50 is an early cold war tank, otherwise i think the balance is fine, and it’s not like the br is plagued by heat which is the real problem .
AMX 50-120 is one of the best tanks of 7.7
Somua is close to OP.
50-100 and lorraine were fine at 7.3. 7.7 isn’t outrageous considering the strength of the rest of the 7.7 tanks.
No idea what they are doing with the char 25t. It keeps getting moved up despite not being competitive at its previous BR. It wasn’t even good at 7.3 .
Foch needs its ammo crane modeled. It had an internal crane to ready a 2nd round for loading after a first was fired. Imo, give it a 2 shot ‘autoloader’ with a 6s internal reload and it would be a good TD. As it is, its worse than a JT and doesn’t deserve its BR.
Since we are on french BRs though… EBR 1951 guys??? come on. Its 4.3 in arcade, 5.3 in RB. Largest BR discrepency i know of. 104 pen at 5.3 is beyond a joke
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Somua is a very good 7.7, there is absolutely no reason to bring it down. Only ones i could see going down are char 25t and the BP AMX with 90mm
25t has APHE thats the only reason
So from what I’m reading, I’m changing a bit my thoughts.
I’d say those who need to get a lower br are the Char 25t, AMX-50 Surbaissé (joining up Foch at 7.3), Lorraine… I think overall France lack of 7.3 tanks, like, when you play Foch, you just play Foch. Cos ACRA and AuF1 are… Well, they exist.
AML-90 and AMX-13-90 are fast and small, with good shells, so they’re fine in the end, just need to play them according to it, and light tanks overall are always useful thanks to scouting.
i’m aware it has 215 pen APHE. Which was fine at 7.3 but laughable at 8.0. You have difficulty with nearly every 7.3 and 7.7 heavy frontally and even angled side shots at range bounce. The super Hellcat sits at 6.3 with 185 pen. and the panthers sit at 6.0 (or less) with 192. You have -6 gun depression so you can’t even play like a hellcat and peek ridges. With an option for a HEAT shell it might have a justification at 8.0, but 215 pen is a joke.
Why are people under the impression the surbaisse should be going down? Its nearly strictly supperior to the 50-100. The infinite ammo rack is incredibly important and the postpen is worlds better. The foch isn’t competitive at 7.3 and should have gone down ages ago.
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this is madness
At BR 7.7 and below (even at 8.0) 99% of tanks do not have a stabilizer
This is not a reason to weaken the tank’s BR, many BRs always hit the uptier
APHE is pretty good for destroying those light vehicles and tanks weak spots plus you have a fast reload and a small target.
Foch and AMX 50 120 BRs are too high the fact the Foch cannot penetrate the heavy Russian tanks it was designed to is a nonesense. The 120mm AP really is lack lustre and has poor penetration for BR it sits in.
You struggle to pen with the Foch? Where are you aiming at?
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erm… do you play france at all?
The 120mm AP pens a T54 UFP at 1km and the turret far beyond that. You pen every russian heavy’s turret except small parts of the IS4. Its postpen is very good for AP rounds. the surbaisse is one of my best tanks.
The foch is awful. Without the internal crane, the reload is pathetic and your side armor is both extremely prominent and extremely weak. Even highly angled shots will pen. It should be at 6.7 with the JT.
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120mm bounces too often off Russian tanks it faces.
T-54 unless you hit lower plate or turret right by the mantlet it wont pen
IS3 is trolly
IS4 dont even try
T-55 front shot might take the turret but not OHK
T34 USA Tank front plate is trolly and pen does mimal damage usually the driver only.
for a round as large you expect more damage
Yeah yeah that’s why I changed up a bit later.
And yes it’s a reason for decreasing the br. Cos getting uptier in 8.3 would absolutely be better than in 8.7.
It’s funny to me to see many ppl complain about the Foch br when I think it’s good where it is. And ppl says the Surbaissé is good at 7.7 when I think it should be lower xD
Have you thought about the 6.3 tanks that will see the French with very fast reloading and penetrating solid shots?
Then nerf the reload speed of the french tanks, easy to do.