For the love of god give Germany a competitive top tier jet

Funny how everyone deny the fact that Argentinian f16 should be in German tech tree just because it wasn’t made by Germany

Alright lets remove Finland’s leopards from sweden then?
Or upcoming Hungarian leopards?
Or Dutch leopards from france

Fun fact Netherlands is almost halfway owned by the bundeswehr yet they still added to france

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It has been said by smin and posted in this thread repeatedly that it’s not a full sub tree. Not only that but gaijn has tended to add only unique vehicles. There’s no Argentinian AMX13 for example, or wz551. And the sk105 was originally just the origial austrian and it took thr whole playerbase revolting for them to give it to france and give germany the Argentinian one instead. I don’t think based on gaijns past acfions, them adding an F16 would fit. I’m not personally against it, but I wouldn’t expect it any time soon.

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Of all planes you could place in this meme, why is the AV-8B there lol?

But this time he is right. Benelux should have been German. Or at least the Dutch, since they are actively integrated/integrating into the German military. Alliance wise, it makes sense. As much as a Commonwealth vehicle does if not more so since the alliance is Active.

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Advocate to lower its BR, then. There’s nothing stopping you from doing so.
Speaking on such things is the very reason this forum exists.

Wrong, we have the argentinian sk105, has nothing to do with germany, pucura was planned as well but there were problems withbthe artist

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Lmao this is so wrong on so many levels lmao.

This is so wrong even if I wasn’t dutch I would still be triggered.

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Arguably only dutch, but not belgium that one fits better for france

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I have a long thread advocating for buffs for the tornado first. Including the ADVs. I understand that supersonic + AMRAAM below 12.7 could be problematic for most 11.3s. just like how the F15A is.

(Even includes ahistorical buffs for the ASSTA1)

Buffs like PHC (limited FoV HMS), a finished flight model and buffing BOL. A long with the bug fixes needed for Aim-9M are all the F3 needs to make 12.7 manageable.

But the ICE and F3 are about as equally matched as 2 aircraft can be currently and should be the same BR.

Ice missing an irccm missile means it should be a lower br imo.

Surely Israel would get their own variant and probably Italy and Netherlands (in Benelux tree) as they are tier 2 partners

You are forgetting the initial pucura matter as well that was supposed to go to germany , fact is germany has non involed argentinian vehiclesbin their tree

No. That’s cursed on so many levels.

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Well there’s a whole company called 1GNC (german dutch corps) which is one reason to remove it from france to germany

The second reason is that alot of dutch equipment
Especially tanks are bundeswehr owned rather then bought

*Assuming ICE gets IRCCM missiles

(Which I assume they will)

Fair enough then.

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First Finland is a subtree rather than subnation. Secondly my point is that precedent has been set through the ADATS (can to uk) that the f16 to Germany is viable

There’s also a French-German Corps…

Well, yeah. And the Belgian/Dutch navy are also integrated (BeNeSam).


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So how that gives a reason to bring it to france?

First of all, you said owned half the netherlands and not the army, but I’ll chalk that up to a simple mistake.

And no, the dutch army is still very much dutch. We pay for the equipment, we pay the soldiers and ultimately decide where we do or don’t deploy them.

We have integrated the units, they are not owned by Germany.

This is only the Leopard 2s lol. We procure everything for ourself. Good examples are that we use swedish CV9035s instead of German marders or pumas and we recently decided to buy norwegian shorad systems instead of the german one.

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