Real panther 2 should go to USA because they never made the turret, our guys slapped on a panther g turret and sent it to testing grounds. As an event or premium, ofc. Also, why are panthers so low in br, the later ones should be with at 6.3, and the Pershing moved back to 6.3 as well as they are more or less equal
Don’t some later variants like the A have upgraded turret rotation. Also it does have better pen, and nicer ballistics for longer shots. It’s armor is better than the t25, and pretty much on par with the m26, at least hull armor is.
Panther A, G have same turret rotation, Panther F has less again. Not that much penetration from what i can see just 5-7 more pen but the explosive filler on T25 is huge and usually Mobility+Pen (or like explosive filler, for example with the Tiger it is also better to take the less pen round with you because it has more explosive filler and can even overpressure) is better than Armour and well playerbase definitely must perform better in the T25 for it to be higher than the Panthers but i haven’t unlocked the T25 yet, with USA im only at 5.3 so far
Doesn’t panther have less bullet drop and less pen drop, and although I agree that it’s mobility is subpar, it’s enough to do well and you are comparing it to a lighter prototype version of the Pershing, ofc it’s gonna be worse. Also, the only tanks that can pen it hull around its BR on the American side are the m36b2 (heatfs) t26e1-1 (long 90mm, reduced he filler) and American t34 (but has no he filler) the m41a1 might be able to with apds but I’m not 100% sure. Meanwhile the all those tanks can frontally be killed by panther, except t34 but only if lfp is covered. The turret is different story though I’ll give you that, a little inconsistent with 76 but the 90mm will almost always disable turret. But then, there is the Pershing 1 shot spot
The mobility of the T25 is only better in reverse. The Forwards acceleration is really poor, unironically on par or even worse than the M26’s in certain cases.
Also have to consider that the T25 now has 2 ready rounds, so once you fire 3 rounds your reload goes to 9.97 seconds with a fully maxed out loader, 12.96 with a fully stock one.
The 90 mm has far less pen drop.
For comparison, at point blank the Pzgr.39/42 APCBC round has 192 mm of pen, while M82 has 185 mm. At 500 meters, both rounds have 173 mm of penetration, and at 2 kilometers they have 126 mm and 140 mm of penetration respectively.
I am pretty sure I saw the prototype Ostwind II in a Museum in Canada, although not exactly sure in which one, as I visited multiple military museums there.
Also you can read about an interview with someone who actually was involved in the building of that prototype in Walter J Spielbergers Books “Der Weg zum Flak-Panzer Gepard. Die geschichtliche Entwicklung der deutschen Flugabwehrpanzer” and “Der Panzerkampfwagen IV und seine Abarten” (Both books feature the same “Interview”)
So yeah, a prototype of the Ostwind II was indeed built.