Emergency BR changes goooooo
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It’s slow, sure. But that’s not really all that big of a problem when you can just smoke up with your smoke mortar and turn around to run away.
Emergency BR changes probably going to make the tank better since it’ll fight more paper armor, the only downside will be lower enemy reaction time on enemy tanks with stabs (brits only).
Wont change anything, as a matter of fact I think a higher BR will make the Coelian even better since it will face more lightly armored vehicles.
Only way I can imagine this being fixed is by removing the APHE belt, fixing the many bugs there are with high caliber autocannons or make stuff like the elevations and traverse speed horrendous to use. (the turret is largely fictional so Gaijin can do whatever they want with it)
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I’m fine with it going up in BR, of course. Just like I like that the Falcon went up from 7.3 to 8.3. Each BR change it only got better. However, lets not act like 7.0-7.7 isn’t heavy vehicle spam.
These emergency BR and balancing changes between the patch cycles only seem to affect German tanks? Was the same with the Leopard 2’s.
Also an indicator for Bias, didn’t ever remember problematic russian tanks got changed that fast. Literally withing days. Remember the PT-76 and many more. (Also current Soyuz).
I aprecciate that the Kugel gets a decent BR now. Was about time.
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I feel like Coelian already did this beforehand, especially against M18 players. It’s just that it has now been exacerbated by Coelian buff
Small caliber, high-pen, high tnt-equivalent APHE will always be an issue just because of how APHE works at the moment (spherical damage instead of more exaggerated AP spall). You shoot so many per second and can cupola / ricochet them to the point where you can kill practically any tank, even without abusing any armour holes they may have.
We could change how APHE works, but that means more inconsistency for every tank that uses APHE – I don’t think people want to switch to glorified AP, effectively changing how some weak spots are handled (for example, Jumbo 75mm trying to cupola Tiger H1, or Tiger II H trying to cupola T95). This would also enhance the difference in capabilties between overpressure APHE (~170g+ TNT equiv) and non-overpressure APHE shells.
Maybe reduce the penetration, or perhaps the TNT equivalent of the lower caliber APHE (35mm, 37mm, 40mm, 57mm etc) rounds would be the better option here.
Players also could just watch the surroundings. But as long as Gajin prefers to do quick “fixes” at German vehicles, allied teams are safe with holding W.
Leopard 1 with 100mm pen still roaming with 65 km/h at 6.3 or something.
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93 mm of pen and it is not an aphe…
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It is APHE. Gaijin calling it API-T is objectively false.
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Flakpanzer is 7.0, yay. Now i can use with KT 10.5.
I wanted APHE nerfed to realistic behavior ages before the poll even came up that we were winning to have changed before Gaijin changed their mind like the lazy slobs they are.
Yeah, I just saw that
the 40mm ap doesnt have an explosive charge…
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And Panther II :D
Tbh NOTHING will change, bc I’m using 341 on 7.0 with KT 10,5 and Pantjer 2 and 7.7 with Maus and PZH 2k :D
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ZSU-57-2 with 150mm pen APHE also 7.0 now. Alot more mobility and punch. Something doesn’t add up.
This is the best outcome for 341 enjoyers. We got our ‘nerf’ - a BR change. Was praying they wouldn’t mess with the APHE belt.
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far lower fire rate, can be killed by a .50 cal, it is open top, far less stable, the coelian is far better as an spaag than the zsu
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Speaking of the Panther II I wish they updated the model to what it would’ve actually been IRL.
In some cases, sure. I think Coelian can be dealt with as long as you are aware of its presence.
However, in other situations (just like with any tank), Coelian presence may not be known and can cause much greater havoc with little to no effort than most tanks.
It seems to be similar issue with 35mm APHE SPAAs like Gepard, ZA-35, XM246 etc, as well as APDS autocannon IFVs (though I’d say they’re less problematic due to the fact that most can’t frontally kill MBTs with their gun alone).
For sure, though I’d say that SPAA is far less effective than the Coelian, even though it has better mobility.
240 RPM 93mm pen AP with the ability to flank and run away is definitely not as good as 500 RPM 87mm pen APHE with ~30g of TNT equiv and the ability to smoke / survive shots, at least in most contexts.
If you’re talking about the Coelian, yes it’s APHE.
But he was talking the Leopard 40/70, which is AP.
I think that could definitely help with the small-caliber APHE problem, but this would also indirectly affect other things, which may not be a good thing. Certain counters rely on cupola shots, for example.