Hello, I would like to talk about how it is abit unfair that the Finnish F-18C is at 14.0 while getting worse missiles, no HMD, and is slower than most other planes at its BR. I believe it should be lowered to 13.3-13.7 due to the fact it only gets AIM-120B’s, AIM-9M’s, and AIM-9L’s. Included to the fact that it’s radar is worse than alot of the planes at its BR. It is simply unfair to have it at 14.0. You can barely get any kills due to being outmatched by superior tech. The only times you can get a kill is if you climb up to 20-30k feet- oh wait you just got killed by an R-77-1/AIM-120C-5/R-77/You get it. I cannot begin to think what went through the dev’s heads when they were putting it at this BR.
-And there is the added fact that other players like me complain of this same issue.
Thank you, and that is all I have for today.
-TheRealDudeJay
This gotta be made with AI. The 120B is better than the C in 99% of scenarios, the 1% being launches further than 35-40~ km lol. 13.3-13.7? are u fr? 10 120s against 12.3-12.7? What level of skill issue do i need to make such statements. And no HMD is not a real downside.
I think take away the double rails, 6x AIM-120 at 13.7 and it’s fine
It’s not just the HMD
You get no C-5s, a downgraded RWR, no air to ground ordnance and of course, no HMD.
for marginally better flight performance…
It’s not to the level of the other hornets and should probably move down but we don’t need more compression.
C-5s actually help the hornet because of how slow it is, the tiny bit of extra range is nice. Still wouldn’t bring more than 4.
Im fr gng, and the 120B is NOT better than the C in over 70% of scenarios lol, the C is more efficient, and check out the F-15C MSIP II, it gets 8 120A’s which are still pretty good. Then we have the F-14’s, they get a pretty good amount of missiles too. Including the IRIAF. Same with the Su-27SM, the R-77’s are almost on-par with the 120B’s, and the Su-34, the Su-34 gets 8 R-77’s, and air-ground ordnance, the F-18C does not. Same with the Baz Meshupar. And I must include the fact that most other 14.0’s get 120C’s or an equivalent missile. And better radar’s and HMD’s if I might add, thanks for your opinion though.
The C-5s arent really an upgrade or help tho, they struggle pulling any sort of G sub 10km~ and can essentially be outmaneuvered. And at range they are (not entirely sure rn) about 2 or 3 seconds faster on the long range lobs but a 120 isnt gonna hit above 30~35 anyway if you arent in a Eurofighter or F-15E. Removing the double rails will just start another big shitstorm because its ahystorical. The only real way would be removing it or just switching the MLU2 with it in place. Which i also doubt will ever happen
120A/B are both the same and better than C-5s by quite an amount, they are only more “effective” at the super long range shots which hit maybe 1 out of 20 matches if the enemy you launched it at was AFK or just ignoring his RWR. And no the R-77 arent “almost on par” they are far worse than the 120s, only essentially better in terms of G (and acceleration i think, not sure on that part), the only R-77 on par is the 77-1 on the Su30. And why are you mentioning Air to Ground when that isn’t even relevant since the F-18C non MLU is a dedicated Fighter?
Yes, and no, I can get hit by 120C’s even if im paying attention to my RWR, I check the hit logs, 17-23k meters.
Looking at the R-77’s stat card it is similar to the 120A/B’s, same speed, same launch range, better G overload, abit more heavy making lose speed faster sure, more explosive.
Im mentioning it because the planes at its BR have little/alot of CAS options. if you’re gonna make a strictly fighter aircraft 14.0 with worse radar, no HMD, slower speeds, and somewhat worse missiles, why think that it should go up against superior aircraft/tech?
the 120A/B can hit at the same range, so whats your point?
The stat card doesn’t reflect actual stats my friend. R-77 non -1 struggle to hit a maneuvering target further than 16-18km, and im already being generous here. They are still the 3rd or 4th worst Fox 3 in the game.
Why do you think it should see way inferior aircraft/tech from 12.3-13.0 if we were to put it at 13.3 or 13.7? We don’t need more compression. If gaijin was smart enough to lift the ceiling to 15.0 instead of a laughable 14.3 it could stay where it is no problem. But lowering its BR currently would just repeat the compression cycle we already want to prevent
Same with the 120A/B’s, they struggle at 15KM, at altitude, I give them 20KM and they struggle. 1.8-11KM is the sweet-spot, the 120C’s have a better rocket motor and typically start to struggle at 17-18KM, 20-25KM at altitude from what I see.
Good point, Im rethinking and I think 13.7 is the right spot for it.
I would love this dude, and it could introduce potential for more aircrafts
True but if Gaijin refuses to do anything about the current BR’s there’s little to no other options
Best option overall would just be foldering the F18s or removing the non MLU as of right now but sadly we will get neither until the next update or the one after probably. And Gaijin will keep refusing to do anything otherwise because in terms of playerbase sweden is a minor tree
We all want it fixed, but gaijin has neglected actual feedback and criticism and favor the paying low levels (looking at updates adding over 600 bucks of premiums lol) and the COD maps aka attica
Yea, im concerned about why Gaijin thinks its such a good idea putting all these premiums in the game, just more cannon fodder for good players, and on the rare occasion good players making other good players cannon fodder, and alot of the playerbase does not like attica, including me, and some maps, that which shall not be named, you just get sniped right out of spawn. And I love that Gaijin neglects feedback of what things should have historically, (Like the HSTV-L), Gaijin either is ignorant to the fact some things should have their historical items/buffs, or they think that not giving said historical items/buffs is “balancing the game.”
Honestly wish Gaijin’s corporate peeps would open their eyes
They do open their eyes thats the thing, but they choose to ignore anything that doesn’t bring them money or new players (and generally want both to happen looking at toptier premiums)
