According to the very bug report used as justification for the APDS removal, apparently the Falcon is totally missing a full-caliber AP round, APIC-T specifically, which had almost the same armor penetration as the APDS it just lost.
The problem was never the Falcon - it always was the phone-booth maps allowing it to constantly get that close in the first place.
Falcon is probably one of the best TD’s where it is
No, it’s not my logic you are forgeting a lot of details, the falcon is a relativly fast vehicle (for it’s br) it’s stabilized and carries a decent bit of ammo
Not every tank, but the vast majority of them if you know where to shoot and reminder, it’s an auto-canon, you can afford to miss literally dozens of time before the enemy can react
The VERY SMALL minority of tanks you cannot kill frontally you can run away from
Also has I have stated before, the problem is not that the falcon pens too much it’s that it has MORE HE filler has a panther, or any HE filler for that matter
You think 48km/hr is fast at 8.3?
Well the Crusader AA Mk I has an autocannon that can pen up to 72mm (more than the Falcon). Should we bump it to 6.3+ ?
The L-62 ANTI II has an autocannon that can pen 68mm (again - more than the Falcon). What should we bump it up to?
By your ridiculous logic, there are a ton of spaag that are hugely undertiered. Seems like there is a LOT of work to do.
Aren’t you maybe forgetting a lot of other metrics that might play a role?
Like mobility, turret traverse rate and RoF?
It’s all relative.
In lower BRs many of the vehicles (targets) are slower than those in the higher BRs. So many of the spaag kinda suck at shooting down planes with their slower turret traverse and ROF, but they still do well at destroying ground vehicles.
Crusader with a modest turret traverse of 40 deg/sec would have no problem destroying a 3.3 BR Chi-Nu, even frontally.
If we keep raising BR of spaag because they can defend against ground vehicles, they won’t have a chance in shooting down CAS, which get faster and have longer range weapons in higher BRs.
Well, thats like the weakest medium tank you can choose as target for the BR. Other than a Pz IV.
A Pz III L/M is nearly immune and your also not going to easily kill other medium tanks.
It decent for getting on peoples sides but it’s not the most mobile vehicle.
AA performance suffers from the fact that 20mm guns are just so much better, when they really shouldn’t be.
Why are you COMPLETLY ignoring what I am saying about post pen damage, all of thos aa either dont have APHE for their penning round, or they shoot really slowly, which wouldent allow them to instantly kill a T10M the way a falcon would
yea the 30mm APDS the falcon used to have made more spall
Spall doas not matter because it goas strait forward, what matter is the HE filler, like you can consistantly kill tanks by shooting empty area because even if just makes their crew slightly yellow, well you shoot 20 time a second so by the time they react their crew is dead
spall is literally the mail thing that matters. tf else does the damage as overpressure isnt
Why… genuiantly why do you don’t understand, I need you to UNDERSTAND the following things, and if you disagree with them find a convincing reasons to disagree, if you don’t do that you will HAVE to admit I am right
Spall, is in a cone shape, you can only damage things that are behind where you shoot with spalling, but, due to falcon having low pen, the only place you can usaly pen and damage will be things like optics or cuppolas, therefor not allowing to kill tanks frontally
Explosive filler, damages in a 360 way, if you can pen a tank with he filler, you will be able to destroye EVERYTHING that filler can reach has long has you keep shooting, and unless the comparment are fully separated, you can pretty much destroye a tank no matter where you pen it from with aphe
You have to pen to do post-pen damage, right?
What do you think happens when shots that contain FI-T shells enter a vehicle? (Crusader)
L-62 ANTI uses SAPHEI - similar to what Falcon uses now only… LARGER.
With how much hate Sweden gets and given they have no SPAA it’s all just TD’s because gaijin won’t correct their ammo velocity sure just move all the 40mm tanks up to 13.0
But they fire extremly slowly, and the vehicle they are on are slow, and they are not stabilized
HOW IS THAT HARD TO UNDERSTAND
120 shots/min is plenty fast enough to waste vehicles they have a decent chance of penning.
Crusader MK II moves at 44km/hr (with a better Hp/ton ratio). Falcon moves at 48kh/hr - and would fight enemies moving much faster than enemies the Crusader fights.
HOW HARD IS THAT TO UNDERSTAND???
2x600 RPM with APHE is a whole lot more damage than 120 RPM solid shot.
That’s just two rounds per second vs 20.
Doesn’t take a genius to realize that 10 times the RoF will shred barrels and tracks incredibly fast and that APHE finding its way into a tank by sheer volume of fire is a lot more effective than firing solid shot that only kills with line of sight hits.
Well they are not fighting the same enemies are they?
They are 5 BRs apart, so the 120 rnds/minute and larger gun are more than plenty to kill the enemies they will meet. On many they don’t need to target the smaller tracks or barrels. They can just fire into the main body and watch them go boom.
It’s just ridiculous to leave Falcon at 8.3 when the ONE reason it was moved up - APDS - is no longer there.
Numbers below are Ground kills-per-spawn of Falcon by recent months with losing APDS at end of January. Brackets are total including Air Kills. Notice the significant drop in GK/spawn and that the Air kills do not make up the difference.
Nov 2025=GK=1.30 (1.44)
Dec 2025=GK=1.24 (1.38)
Jan 2026=GK=1.22 (1.35)
------------------------------------------ loss of APDS
Feb 2026=GK=0.85 (1.00)
Mar 2026=GK=0.71 (0.91)
the only time thats useful is for cupola tapping.
the APDS meant you dont need to abuse the little armour holes and whatnot. WHILE MAKING MORE SPALL
if you look at the vehicles performance like QTip posted you can see that the APDS carried the vehicle hard.
now you can only realistically do is kill most other SPAAs (other than XM246), planes when the radar picks them up. or just die
Tbf sometimes peaking those small holes is faster than pure AP but other times not so much. Higher fire rate definitely makes penning those spots more consistent
Here’s 300 rpm versus 240 same ammo same shitty and the worst 40mm velocity in game
Angle yes but I can’t help that lmao LVKV is short.
Now in the CV9035 I have used the DM12 ammo to kill a tracked 279 frontally where my APFSDS was struggling