Indeed - although there was at least some evidence to be examined… unlike this one.
source: Green, William (1957). Famous Fighters of the Second World War . Vol. 2. Macdonald. p. 103.
Also:
Part of a discussion at "Do not engage Yak-3" ... Source? - Page 2 - Kurfurst Discussion Boards - no source identified although words to that effect are noted in a couple of places, with some discussion as to where they may have originated - possibly with Green, but unable to confirm.
Also while the claim that the LW issued such an instruction doesn’t seem to have any primary evidence, you yourself did not LW accounts of being outmaneuvered by Yaks, so there is at least some circumstantial background information related to such a claim - again unlike this claim
Imho you referred to an official recommendation / order:
and i replied:
As long as you can’t present a primary source of the Luftwaffe High Command issuing such an order - all you have a claim of an author without any evidence, footnote or reference to a primary source.
In other words:
So either he forgot to add a reference (which could not be proven by anybody else) or he just invented the phrase to make his book more “spicy” to read.
As written in my initial reply it looks extremely unlikely that any HQ with Nazi Germany would have issued such a recommendation / order as it would severely question their racial ideology… But i explained that already.
I admit that this claim looks more reliable as the author is recognized as rather accurate historian:
But imho Graf is not the LW - and Graf has severe credibility issues as he was later accused to be a snitch for the USSR (whilst being a POW).
A curious statement - no he is not THE Luftwaffe, but he was commander of JG52, and the statement is what he said in 1944, not later.
Nonetheless there is evidence - hence it is not comparable to the claim made here.
Plus of course the old adage “absence of evidence is not evidence of absence” - so far we do not have any direct knowledge of such an order… but that is not the same thig as it not existing.
You either let someone else on your account to hack for you, or you used a VPN while hacking for plausible deniability. If you were really hacked they would have straight up taken your account from you, and you’d be trying to get your account back from the hacker, rather than get it unbanned.
What you’re missing is the Yak-3(O)P (which I have yet to die in) and Yak-3U are both post war aircraft that face late war aircraft, while the regular Yak-3 should be 5.0 to face its contemporaries. I’m not sure it’s so much of an accuracy issue (although the energy retention is a bit suss) as simply being badly undertiered.
If you observe any air match, you’ll find Yak-3 pilots are almost universally terrible, much like wyvern and XP-50 pilots, which is how the status quo persists. The most OP vehicles are simply the ones that attract the worst pilots.
The vast majority of AF camping that I see is due to greedy players trying to 3+v1 a guy who’s team is gone. Like just let the guy take off and give him a fight he’s not going to immediately lose. But no, they all bum rush the airfield on the marginal chance that one of them might get an extra kill and then complain about camping.
But there are a very few players who are chronic AF campers. And I mean they will not take any fight unless they have altitude advantage.
One such player, @taga_bumatay I have yet to see banned. I might make a YT vid on this guy if I get time, he is the worst of the worst I’ve ever seen. Check his replays to see what I mean. It’s like he has a 6th sense to always know where the airfield is.
Of course his top planes are yaks, and note the negative win rate on the Yak-3, despite the 10/1 K/D. You can’t do that well and not win without “passive behavior” (airfield camping).
I rarely die to any of those aircraft because the pilots are so bad. When I fly them on the other hand…
^^ I wouldn’t be able to score like that with literally any other attacker in the game. *edit Well maybe excluding jet attackers 1 year ago when the A-10 spam was going strong, but I’m not into jets.
Yeah, I call them overpowered because I fly them, and they are, and everyone knows they are. Get BTFO.
**edit You on the other hand can’t seem to go positive in any aircraft, overpowered or not.
They are not greedy. They want the round to end, and they want to have fun on a pvp game. Just because you’re the last guy doesn’t mean you should get special treatment. Usually 1 griefer will do his best to extend it to 25m. The current state of the game encourages griefing and unfair play, helping the worst of the worst get their “fun” at the expense of players who simply want to enjoy the game. If you are the last guy left - too bad, either fight and try to win, or accept defeat and die, and if no enemy in sight - land and j-out.
Instead we have nascar around AF, actively supported by people who absolutely love the idea :/
About 1 in 3 will use AF AAA to fix his mistakes if he manages to get anywhere close to it, about 1 in 8 maybe will camp the AF and run the clock.
I am efficient enough to move the fight towards enemy AF most of the time. People will massively benefit from AAA, extending games that should have ended, and for what?
Any “fight” closer than 10km to enemy AF has to be “one and done”, because sure as hell as soon as trouble starts, a scramble towards AAA ensues.
Somebody dives towards AF when he’s in trouble every match. And I don’t even follow high speed dives because I know that guy will be going for AF if I do. That’s simple experience
People often disengage if I myself have to run towards AF for a short while simply because of angles of engagement. I try to steer clear of it, but my pursuer will quit early, because he usually assumes I’ll be going for AAA bubble.
The guy you mentioned took the idea to extreme. Avg player will simply use AF AAA as crutch here and there, but once again - this has very negative impact on the gameplay and decision making of the players.
It takes a while to go through reports and ban them. They also (same as with many games) ban them in waves once a list of cheaters has been verified and compiled. An admin cannot realistically go through thousands of reports in the timeframes you want them to especially since many reports are just salty trolls who report anyone for anything.
It’s faster to kill the last guy, or for the last guy to quit.
People avoid ground pounding in fighters, because klit’s boring and laughably ineffective. With MG151/20 I needed around 100 shells with anti-armor belt to kill a single light pillbox.
Fun, fun, fun.
What’s the benefit to allow people to extend the match to 25m? Seriously? It’s not like we’re protecting cream of the crop, team players or dedicated players. This game design protects absolute scum ans allows them to grief.
Almost nobody but grinders. And oftentimes you simply can’t even fix the ticket disadvantage, or can’t go through several thousands of tickets within designated tineframe.
I don’t see how being able to just avoid combat and waste everyone’s time benefits the game.
Mafches would end faster without AF AAA, but they would be no less fun. But that’s assuming one plays for fun and not to grind.
Depends. Less fun for those who rtb but more fun for those who want to camp the enemy af for easy targets.
My solution would be this:
Once one enemy is left, the af aa will shut off after they have been within the aa zone for a set amount of time. There would then be a cool down to prevent them from going out of the zone then going right back in.
This would allow them the chance to re-arm and repair if they want to fight but prevent them from just circling.
You know, why I find myself around AF? I chase down last enemies.
You know, how often they manage to leave the AF and continue to play the game effectively?
Maybe once per 100 games.
You know who actually benefits from AF AAA?
Griefers.
If you have to RTB with no team left to cover you - too damn bad. Very sad and depressing, but you’re not surviving anyway.
For players doing RTB the fun is already over.
Most will leave the AAA bubble and die. End effect? More time wasted.
SL and RP are important to compulsive.grinders. The main problem of Air RB is that people consider it a grinding environment.
It’s ridiculous that Gaijin is catering towards people NOT enjoyjing the mode in the 1st place. This is a game. And game is supposed to be fun. If you’re playing this mode as work 2.0 - then god damn, you have a problem.
Yet compulsive grinders are trying to make this mode even better for grinding. And way less fun as a result. XP-50, Wyvern and Ju-288C have already greatly reduced the fun across the prop BRs.
Have you ever seen the famed “AF AAA reversal”?
Your solution does not fix it.
You know, what would fix it?
Player controlled AAA/SPAA. Give them something to do. Give them some targets to shoot at (AI trucks, cars, armored cars, ight tanks, AI planes - you know, recon/sabotage groups + enemy air force trying to attack the AF).
Every other solution has the problem of being kinda… unfair.
Or maybe lets just give planes 10s after succesful landing (you know, to simulate pilot getting the hell out of plane - 10s so you can’t expect to land while getting chased down and survive) and 75s after repair invulnerability and be done with it.
I mean, that’s how it works in ground RB. 75s is plenty of time. If you can’t fix your problems by that time? Too bad. And once that 75s runs out - you get a long cooldown of at least 6m.
Of course we remove the j-out exploit either way.
Or just add several spawn zones separated by 8km, so you can choose to spawn further from.the enemy after you repair, you know that’s just as realistic as 9s repair + teleport to the end of the runway :P
