The f4ej 2 is quite over tiered being at 11.0 in arb, it has a weak engine (for its airframe) making it slower then many other planes at its br so it is basically unable to run from enemy players. it has a shitty turn rate being at around 40 seconds to turn a circle at high altitudes and speed being unable to dogfight and being slow to run away from dogfights. it has a shitty loadout compared to most planes it faces like the mig 21’s j7’s mirage f1c’s and f4f ice and basically every other phantom, only having the aim-7e2 not (df) which has a 1.7 second sleep time after launch forcing it to be used for far range yet having a short range rocket motor. The aim-9p being bad compared to the pl7, magic 2, python 3, aim9l, r60mk and r60m all these enemies have good missiles that can have irccm and the 9p is easily flared while the jet has very hot engines that missiles chase all the time. so its a bad dog fighter bad radar fighter with its shitty radar with no pd or mti mode and ok rwr not being able to detect jband radar makes r24’s sneak up on u. for bombing it has no incindiary bombs having to carry 11 750lb bombs makes u even slower so by the time u reach the bases the mig 23’s and f104s taf already took all the bases. I feel that the mig 23ml should be uptiered to 12.0 and the f4ej 2 should be given either a better radar to actually use its missiles or better missile that can be used in a headon letting u able to fight people forcing u to dogfight.
This is incorrect. It has good t/w and good engines. They are the same as the F-4E at a higher BR and the F-4E does not struggle in this regard.
This is false. Absolute best loadout the MiG-21 gets at this BR is R-60Ms and they aren’t anything special.
I agree the J-7 is far better but this is because the J-7D is undertiered and the J-7E is one of the strongest 11.3s.
This is a 12.0 plane, please do not try to compare 11.0s to 12.0s.
F-4F ice is a 13.0 plane. You cannot face it in matchmaking.
It has the AIM-7E(1) not AIM-7E2. AIM-7E2 is far better.
Usually the PL-7 (Magic 1) is found on worse planes, save for the J-7D.
I know you aren’t facing the Jaguar IS at all so you’re talking about the Mirage F1. Let me remind you again that this is a 12.0 plane and you are not meant to have missiles equal to a plane an entire 1.0 br higher than you.
This is basically on nothing but the Kfir which again, is also 12.0. Same as above.
Again, only really on 12.0+ planes save for an F-5 and the A-10.
This is not better.
This is the same missile as the R-60MK.
Exactly zero of the missiles you mentioned have irccm with the exception of the Magic 2 which again, 12.0 plane.
So are the AIM-9Ls, Python 3s, Magic 1s, and R-60Ms you mentioned.
I have never had issues flaring missiles in the phantoms.
You are again, trying to compare it directly to 12.0 fighters as these are the only ones with a PD or MTI mode with the exception of the MiG-23 at 11.7.
This is not World of Tanks. You can’t ask for fake buffs or nerfs that don’t have a direct basis in reality. The planes get their real radars.
With ALL of this said, the F-4EJ is VERY MID at 11.0 but its not BAD, and your solution to it being very mid is to ask for DECOMPRESSION and the uptiering of the problematic planes like the J-7D.
F-4EJ Phantom ii is the best 11.0 in the game with amazing SARH missiles that counter MiGs perfectly, on top of that you can add 3 20mm cannons which melts anything. Use it like a P-47.
wait…
THATS 11.0 WHEN THE SPEY PHANTOMS ARE 12.0
the only change is AIM-9G and Skyflash which is just a slightly different sparrow.
thats flat out undertiered bro
the aim7e2 and skyflash are immense upgrades to the aim7e
also all the 12.0 phantoms have much better radars than the 11.0 and 11.3 ones as the 12.0 ones have headon radars and the earlier ones do not
I might be misremembering but the Spey phantoms have PD radar the EJ dose not
its using the AN/APG 60. its “better” but still not great. Certainly not good enough to be seeing a hornet
This is just whataboutism.
nah its a fair comparison, the only real difference is a “better” radar and a slightly better FOX 1.
yet its a whole BR above and faces the F18
thats a problem with the hornets being too low not the phantoms being too high though
going from non pd radar to pd radar is far more than just “better” and the skyflash is significantly better than the aim7e and can actually be used at close range
I’m just saying it’s better, not that it’s a full BRs worth of better. 1 full BR from the EJ to the FG/FGR then 0.3 to the EJ KAI is ridiculous, I would put the FG/FRG down 2 BR steps and the KAI down 1 step (assuming no decompression)
compression bad :(
fair. I like playing hornets but it does feel dirty.
the FA18 A should be 12.7, the american and canadian premium 13.0, swiss 13.3 as its got a better engine and the top tier hornets are trashed by the rafales
its definitely better than the others but unless we got more BR breakdowns (13.1, 13.2, 13.3, 13.4, etc) its probably not enough of an upgrade on its own to warrant an actual BR increase
engines on the hornets go a long way. Its more than enough IMO.
its a 5% increase to standard thrust and a 10% increase to afterburner thrust
I agree, decompression is the best solution, but there is no real justification for such a large BR gap between the EJ and FG/FGR. Gaijin insisting in a BR step for each minor improvement is excessive, 1 step for slightly better engines, 1 step for slightly better missiles and 1 step for a better radar… then another step for the EJ kai for F-16 radar AIM-7Fs and AIM-9Ls
EDIT: And the UK phantoms all have an external gun.
yea thats a lot
do they get agile eagle slats at all? if they dont then maybe i could agree
but ultimately I think the reason for it is that gaijin likes having minimun BRs for some technologies like radar missiles on aircraft with PD radars, and atgms in GRB
so do the american 12.0 phantoms though