So you did really make up an arbitrary group of missiles just to put the 9L at the bottom
That’s not what he said at all though-
They aren’t saying 9Ls are OP, but that the FM is what is OP.
In fact they directly acknowledge the 9Ls on the EJ Kai but follow up by reiterating the massive flight performance disparity.
You’re taking shots at a claim you hallucinated!
I looked it up from what I was saying earlier and I found out that it isn’t the missile that gets multipathed it’s the radar which causes the missiles to mess up. I do believe all F4 radars were very heavily affected by ground clutter meaning its missiles could be MP.
Op flight model means nothing against radar missiles. It’s a combination of factors, weapons, avionics, and flight models, that make an aircraft strong. In the meta above 11.7 not having radar missiles is a massive detractor to max BR. If op thinks the flight model is the only reason it should be higher br than the f-4 then make the spitfires higher BR than the f-4 too. You can deduce through simple logic that mentioning the x6 aim9ls without mentioning it’s lack of HMD or any radar missiles is an intentional bias in regards to the performance of the 9L. In short this approach disregards risk vs reward, the 9L requires much higher risk than any aim-7 platform or any decent radar guided missile in general.
No it’s a generational categorization.
Based on what? Because it still seems all you’ve said is “the AIM-9L is the worst missile that is at least as good as an AIM-9L!” which means nothing at all.
And yet you are solely focusing on armament and then backpedaled to avionics and disregarding flight models. The A-10 has roughly the same avionics and armament as the F-16A, should they be the same BR? Of course not! The Typhoon and SHar have almost the same avionics and armament, so should the Typhoon be 13.0? Hell no!
The F-16 simply has too dominant a flight performance combined with effective armament and avionics to be 12.3.
So you’re just ignoring that the EJ gets fox-1’s
Dude definitely is missing the entire point. 😅 Not even going to reply to him anymore since it seems he isn’t capable of understanding. Not my problem and not worth our wasted time.
No, no I’m not. I’m simply calling out BS where I see it. And I definitely see it in
Especially when pressed he hasn’t been able to give any justification for his arbitrary selection of “upper tier missile”, nor his claims that the mere absence of HMD and SARH justify an F-16 with one of the best FM in the game fighting 11.3.
Its missing the defining feature of aircraft that that BR. How do you not get that? I can pull all of the G’s I
want an R24 or R-27 are still going to wreck my shit.
And that’s a you problem. Maybe try actually notching and chaffing, or multipathing, or flying NOE to avoid being fired at in the first place.
There’s nothing that can be done if you refuse to utilize the strengths of your aircraft and instead only gripe about the weaknesses.
That’s just not how 15v15 works if you are using that FM to its advantages and not the weaponry. It involves not doing those manuvers, and if you use the FM to do those maneuvers you’re going to run out of energy before they run out of missiles.
I think what he means is that, when an F-16A at 12.3 is fully downtiered to 11.3, every 11.3 jet has flares, and the only thing you need to make the Aim-9L useless is to flare once, in most jets you don’t even have to cut the throttle to flare it in rear aspect unless the missile is very close.
For that, even the r60m are better, since they accelerate much faster and give the other guy much less time to react
Deciding what br aircraft sit by how good it dogfights is really dumb…it leads to stupid placements and mismatches like frogfoots and warthogs seeing things like Sabres with no flares because herr derr sabre excels at dogfighting… Despite what those that disagree say dogfighting is literally irrelevant in the game Meta
So you are saying this Aim-120 should have hit?
Ground clutter is a different problem to MP and why Pulse Doppler Radar was invented.
probably, yeah. Though there are still issues with the launch besides the low altitude (<200ft for the F-4F), notably the very low launch speed and lag angle. These mean the missile never really go the chance to line up properly and was kinematically defeated by the F-4F before darting after losing lock. Had it had a better angle and more energy I bet it would have been able to pull up into the signal better.
It was not kinematically defeated, it was tracking perfectly and was just about to hit when it did a 90deg turn and hit the ground
It barely is. MP in reality is a major thing only for <~10m for very modern ones. For many other conditions and older guidence heads like 7F, u can think about sth. like an in-game 530f, not actually working AT ALL at low alt
EJ Kai has double the missile load of the F-20A while also having more CMs, as for the F-16, yeah that’s a product of decompression that needs to be addressed.
They could always give the EJ Kai the AAM-3 though.
I’ve been flying a lot of 8.7 – 9.3 lately across all nations and US players are so, so bad. It’s almost a guaranteed loss at this BR range if US is on your team. The F3H might be 8.7 soon.
I was working on the Pages of History Lam Son 719 task playing the F-100 and would routinely find myself 7v1 8 minutes in. Meanwhile I’ll play the Chinese F-100 and we will rinse the red team. I can see a world where the US F-100 ends up at 9.0 while the French (even though it only has 9Bs) and Chinese versions remain at 9.3 for the same reasons the B-26s are different in BR.
Yep, just prior to the Typhoon I was getting some flight hours in on the Gripen and pretty much all my kills vs F- 15Cs were because they just did stupid things. Even managed a 1v3 because instead of attacking me all together, they attacked 1 at a time and didnt really put much effort into it.