F4 EJ KAI same br with F16 and F20?

So you know I’ve been involved in many airframe historical reports as well as documentation to help others learn.
I was going to share a preliminary document of the data, but it’s not ready to be shown.

From 0 to 1000kph:
F-4EJ Kai: 46 seconds.
Tornado 48, JA37 55, F-14B AIM-54 45, F-14B AIM-7 42, F-14A AIM-7 50, Su-34 50, Mirage 2000-5F 46.

I came here and I saw claims that were incorrect.
Coincidentally I began a time to climb documentation this month and am about half way through part 1: Full internal fuel. This data gets acceleration from 0 - 1000kph, time to 10,000 meters, time to mach 1.5, and time from brakes to mach 1.5.

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Multipathing is a very real thing and partially why flying low is still used widely as a defensive maneuver. MP seekers reduce the impact of ground reflection but don’t eliminate completely.

Irrelevant to his point

Edit: other than range the R-60M performs exactly the same.or better.

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How is bringing up the substantially worse R-60M/MK irrelevant?

Because other than the flare resistance which is the same between the two. The R60M is significantly more useful as a DF missile.

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So because you disagree it’s irrelevant?
Additionally it’s objectively incorrect that the 9L and R-60M have identical flare resistance. The R-60 has a larger FoV (the opposite of FoV gating IRCCM seen on the likes of the R-73)

Where did I say that? You’re talking about a missile that country that has it uses a different missile at thst BR. The R73 is the missile used at that BR for Russia that why its irrelevant.

R-60M is used until BR 13.0. At that BR the US has AIM-9M.

Missile should not be nose diving into the ground to the extent they do currently. SARH and ARH missiles are still rendered highly ineffective by flying at 50m which is extremely easy to do. IRL figures should have it set more like 20m at most and it should vary from missile to missile

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R–73 is used at 11.0 your point?

AIM-9M is used at 11.3. Your point?

R-60Ms are not considered an upper tier missile. And if you look at my profile at all you’ll definitely know I am familiar with the r-60 platforms 😅

Ahh i see you have finally realized that pointing out random stuff doesn’t help. Go back to first comment now that this thought excerise is complete.

Strongly disagree. When used within proper range and aspects it’s rather easy, or at least simple, to counter multipathing. As for flying 50m being easy- remember that this 50m needs to be consistent which can be quite difficult to achieve on mountainous terrain especially as trees are up to or exceeding 50m. It’s not too difficult but it’s also not a guarantee. Additionally, in a dogfight it becomes much, much more difficult to maneuver while following terrain.
Also any sources for 20m?

Why not? They’re found as the sole IR missile of aircraft up to 12.7. Why are you exclusively comparing AIM-9L to IRCCM missiles to try to claim it is bad? Like no shit no IRCCM is easier to counter than IRCCM!

Look at the bug reports 7Fs and 7Ms should be basically immune to it. Instead they fight a R-27ER from the future that has the almost as much delta V as a Phoenix

Which isn’t a statement of capabilities

Because the f16a only having access to aim9L and the OPs claim that it is OP with those missiles is ludicrous when other aircraft of lower BR have better missiles. I’m comparing armament to armament and saying the aim9l isn’t op at 12.3 that’s all.

It’s trash at that BR. The upgrade to it the 9M is almost as easy to flare.

Also the aircraft using R-60’s at that BR have the 3 best fox-1’s in game. The R-24, R-27, and R-27ER.

This is somewhat true, also the F4 is able to carry bombs to kill bases making it more well rounded than the F-16A or F-20