i said it was likely because the Su-57 and J-20 both only have next gen missiles available for internal use. you are clearly the only biased one here putting words in my mouth and immediatley assuming things
never said this
yeah because gen 5’s would come with them from the get go.
And when has that ever stopped Gaijin before?
Where does it state this?
they literally cant not give the J-20 missiles that wouldnt count as next gen and it was in the leaks as part of the first wave. it stands to reason they would add next gen missiles for the other 5th gens too.
lately they tend to give the same/similar class of missile at the same times, leaks do back this up too.
Unless they specifically added Next gen Missiles to onyl Gen 4.5s to help bridge the performance gap between stealth and non-stealth.
Where?
My interpretation of the only leak ive seen is that Gen 4.5s will get next gen missiles to compensate for facing gen 5s.
Quote:
F-22, J-20, Su-57 rollout first. other nations [i.e, those not getting a gen 5] to get next generation missiles for 4.5 gen fighters to fight them.
Im not sure how that can be interpretted any other way. It clearly states that Gen 4.5 vs Gen 5 will be balanced via missiles given to the 4.5s
F-22, J-20, and Su-57 come first. other nations get next gen missiles on thier existing jets to compete with the gen 5’s which would already have them if you actually thought about it for more than 2 seconds
how hard is it to understand the J-20 and Su-57 NEED to get next gen missiles for internal use. there is no other choice
Then they wont have stealth.
Cant get both.
Again. Gaijin, not stopped them before.
Though they could give IIR to only 4.5s.
blatanly biased lol. you just want the typhoon to steamroll anything and everything
J-20 only has IIR avaiable
Idk the raptor is quite a large plane and Gajin famously does not model large airframes or heavy fighters very well for dogfighting so I can’t imagine it would be very good at dogfighting. I don’t think it would do well nothing about war thunder air rb really favors the raptor or allows it to play to its advantages, and it probably wouldn’t come with any of the missiles that make it so threatening IRL, not to mention its stealth would just be a gimmick like the F-117, especially considering I don’t even think it stealth would matter with in game engagement ranges.
Calling the kettle black much.
Wants F-22 with Aim-9X2 with HMD and Aim-120D to fight Gen 4.5s
God I hope the F-22 has Aim-120Cs, Aim-9Ms, no HMD, and the stealth barely works. It will be funny as hell
Find me an image of an inservice Typhoon using Aim-9M. I’ll wait
EFT will always be king
They just artificially buffed the Su-30SM2 so its one of the best dogfighters at the moment.
This is largely what im expecting, that the stealth wont do much, but US mains are acting like it will be invisible to radar at any range and will just able to attack with impunity. Kinda funny actually
nope, i just want the US to be competitive at top tier
its what i think will happen based on what other gen 5 will very likely get. its hardly unreasonable
really showing that anti-US bias
but it was at least tested no? PL-10 is the sole option for the J-20
Artificial? How? The engines are what it uses. The lift issue has always been an issue since the introduction of Flankers.
Yeah but the raptor isn’t a Russian aircraft so it gets thrown into the bottom of the barrel with its flight model like everybody else.
and I want to still be able to paly top tier. US mains “competitive” is usually massively ahead. I remember being told that F-16C with Aim-9Ms vs Tornado F3 (back when it was super nerfed) was “fair”
and I think Gen 4.5s vs Gen 5s will be balanced by giving Gen 4.5s a missile advantage.
On a single prototype in the early 1990s.
Never used it in service.
But I guess you will be fine with the F-22 just using Aim-9Ms then because it used them in service
Im sorry, how the hell can an Su-30SM2 out turn a Typhoon? Its current FM is just a UFO
and you will
they probably will get ASRAAM/IRIS-T and Meteor
service doesnt really matter to them, physically not being able to properly fit in the weapons bay does
is thrust vectoring a foreign concept to you or