This plane will destroy an entire BR
So, based upon your argument. The Gripen C with only 6 missiles (and only 4 being ARH) should be a lower BR than the F-15C with 8 missiles (all of which can be ARH)?
The Sea Harrier FA2 with only 4 missiles should be a lower BR than the F4F-ICE which has 8?
The Mig-29G or Gripen A with only 6 missiles should be a lower BR than the F-15A Because it has 8?
Other factors must be considered other than pure quantity of missiles.
10 missiles is only 2 more than the typical average and from what I understand the F-18 is a total brick with that many missiles and is unlikely to be meaningfully competitive in that configuration. It also lacks IRCCM IR missiles which is extremely common for that BR and it will almost certainly face a constant stream of uptiers vs ARH slingers. Being at 13.0 puts it at the same BR as the F-15A and Su-27 which would both massively outperform it and at the same BR as multiple faster and better equipped ARH slingers.
And Im not really sure why you are making a notable point about them being SARH. That just means the F-18 can only fire at one target at a time. Which heavily mitigates the quantity advantage
The F-18A/C being 12.7 wont harm that BR anymore than what the F-15A and Su-27 being 13.0 have done. Or the F-16A being 12.3 is doing.
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F18 isnt a brick with that many missiles, its just slow. It still maneuvers quite well in game even with full ordinance.
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So it wont be able to impart anywhere near as much energy into the 4-6 SARH missiles it can carry?
Thats the key part here. In a BVR SARH vs SARH joust, Aircraft like the F-15A or even the Tornado F3 would be more dangerous. Heck, Mig-29s will still punish it with R-27ERs.
Given that is the same BR as the F-14A, it will spend its entire time of the defensive at a bare minimum against Aim-54s and any ARH slinger it will face in an uptier.
Given the lack of IRCCM and how trivial it is to defeat Aim-9Ls. I reckon the most common loadout will be the 2x 9L + 6x SARH, which isnt a crazy loadout by any stretch of the means
Also throwing around the F-18C on the dev server. its definetly a placeholder FM. It turns better than the Typhoon
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firstly, they are 3rd generation planes with fox3 which are in a category and they are all on 13.0, if they are lower than this it completely destroys the game, if they have a higher br than this up tier of 13.7 and 14.0 they destroy these planes.
it’s not the same situation as the f/a 18 we are discussing
gripen, mig29 and f16A benelux are planes with incredible flight performance with irccm missiles, and in the case of the gripen tons of countermeasures, if they go down they destroy the game.
I’m not only considering the missiles, the f18 has a very good flight performance too, the only 2 “defects” of the plane are the countermeasures and 9L, everything else about it is competitive to the 13.0 standards.
planes with a very large number of missiles and powerful missiles will annihilate the BR 12.7, 7m/7p may not be the r27, but they are the second strongest fox 1 missile in the game yet, as a plane flying 6 of these missiles is not op in 12.7, still having an extremely good FM.
Imagian su 27 so instead of having r73 it has r60mk but keeps the SARHs, would you think it’s fair to have a plane like that in the 12.7?
Given the fact the R-27ER is so far ahead of any other SARH in game. no it would still be 13.0.
If it had an SARH comprable to that of the Aim-7M. Maybe. Though does also have things like HMD
But I still reckon in a 1v1 fight aircraft like the F-16 and Mirage 2K will win most of the time.
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on the bright side, you will get a lot of new people with low crew skill and game play so should be easy pickings.
Where were you during the compression of 9.3-10.3?
Scammed is quite a strong word there. Gaijin has a disclaimer on the store pages that BR and stats are subject to change at any time
They’ll spend $80 on a plane for two weeks later to generate enough balance problems at 12.7 to be thrown at 13.0…
Instead of asking for 9m and asking for the plane to be 13.0 they prefer to have 2 weeks of glory and then be frustrated (edit)
and what does this have to do with the topic?
You seem to care more about a singular favored BR range, rather than those that have suffered at points in time. What really needs to occur here is not pointless recompression, but expansion from at least 1 up to 2 full BRs higher than what is cyrrently seen
Gaijin knows that selling a premium without fox3 at 13.0 will make for some very angry customers. Unless they are willing to give us proper decompression
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I play more in BR Cold War up to Too Tier (10.3/10.7 up to 14.0), so my publications are more focused on this BR.
but that doesn’t invalidate the point or make an f18 viable on 12.7
But ok…
Deep down we all know that this plane will go up to 13.0 in a few weeks…
we all know this will happen without decompression…
the only difference is that I wish this plane was already a 13.0 with more quality of life, and without them destroying an entire strip of BR for weeks.
otherwise everyone will lose out, the MiG 23 11.7 that will face the F18 will lose out, those who bought the F18 after it was thrown in any way in 13.0 will lose out, and the credibility/trust in the Gaijin will lose out.
No, because that was not intended to be the point. 9.3 was a horribly compresses BR range and Gaijin has been slowly putting bandages on it and it hasn’t been working. Keeping the game compressed to where it is now is not a good course of action.
Also, while yes my point doesn’t change much about the F-18s placement, I’d like to mention that throughout my time on the dev grinding the F-18A, the C’s weren’t causing much of an issue in even the largest of downtiers. They’re kind of like the Su-33 in that regard of them being more of a nuisance than a problem. Along with, the F-18A was not causing a major issue either, which can and was seeing downtiers to 11.7. I’d argue that MiG-23MLs were still more dangerous at that BR than a downtiered F-18A. Sure, I was on the American side. However, most matches I saw included US going against US, and the higher score-ers were among the F-16s of the teams (more specifically the block 10s)
Tbf mig23 is fine since it can just easily outrun it, disengage at will, 1 flare the aim9Ls and sparrows arent that hard to deal with. I’m not saying its fair, but the mig23 is already the best 11.7 and handles uptiers fine while clowning on 10.7s very often that can’t do anything against it.
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Bro why you have my pfp?
but in su 33 it’s in br right from the beginning…
It was not sold as an op underBR plane to later go up
the level 44 player who bought the f18 will not be the problem, the problem will be the veteran players who bought the plane and will destroy the matches, as well as a su 33 player in the down tier .
People are going to buy this plane not just because it’s an F-18, they’re going to buy it because it’s an F-18 under BR with the promise of a few weeks of glorious and easy grind…and we know this won’t last, it was frustrating to play against this plane, , he will eventually go up to 13.0 without the aim9m… and everyone will be frustrated with this plane in the process,
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I do still wonder if the Mig-23MLD at the very least (if not also the ML and MLA) would be better suited at 12.0
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