6.7 USA is goated too, its like 60% downtiers some days which is pretty good if you bring a t26e5
Su-30SM, F-15C/JM, F-18C, etc should all be there.
14.7 would be F-16C, Mig-29SMT, Mirage 2000F5.
14.0 would be where F-14B would be as it’s superior to F-14A IRIAF.
13.7 would be where F-14A IRIAF would be.
Also the fact you omit the F-18C entirely from 15.0 is hilarious when you put Rafale there.
Are you saying the f-18c is equal to the rafale? if so THATS hilarious alvis lol The slow 120 launches specifically from the slow f18c are so easily avoided that its bvr capabilities are null, and certainly it is worse than any other current top tier. Which leaves it up to its mid range and close range fighting capabilties, which the MICA-EM dominates at close ranges, and the rafale is more than capable of surviving the mid range fight. By the time the hornet and rafale merge the hornets are usually dead and the rafale never has to engage them, opting to just fly past it instead since the hornet can not turn around and ever catch it.
I also continue to question the su-30sm’s viability to be the absolute highest BR, simply because so far on the test servers its getting dominated by the f15e and typhoon due to countermeasure count and the 120 still outperforming the r77-1 for BVR combat due to drag coefficients severely affecting the missile in maneuvers. However that being said 15.0 would also still be fine, as it could always be adjusted down .3 if needed, and its likely mostly just everyone learning the new airframe, it will probably perform much better after a couple weeks of learning, so you and Ion are probably correct here. :) That is the beauty of the higher BR bracket, it gives that wiggle room.
Furthermore no fox 3 carrier would be below 14.0 in this format, and player success rate dictates your opinion statement of the f14 iriaf being inferior to the f14b to be just that: an opinion. (i understand it is inferior in all ways but missiles, but success rate with kills is higher for the iriaf than the 14b)
the 14B and iriaf could both be 14.0, essentially the idea is that anything at the new BR bracket of 12.7 should never see fox 3s one of the thresholds for determining BR placement. Or put the 14b at 14.3 and the iriaf at 14.0 and the 14a at 14.0.
Based off current performance of the 29smt i would keep it in the same relative battle bracket with uptiers and downtiers, so 14.3 or 14.7 would work for it, and fine tuning based off stats later would be acceptable.
I am saying that from the testing I’ve done so far, F-18 is ~95% of what a Rafale is in flight performance [which I made a speculative prediction this would be the case a couple days before dev server].
Rafale rates 5% better, and accelerates 8% faster below the speed of sound.
Rafale’s biggest strength is post-mach wing design.
If the F-18 is dead so is the Rafale. Both are equally radar-missile resistant.
i would also add the mic-em up close is by far the deadliest sub 10km missile in game, at least from my experience and anyone else i talk to. It also has more countermeasures currently than the hornet.
I also wonder if the devs will accept the bug report on the rafale getting an AOA limiter switch due to a video circulating from a supposed rafale pilot, i suspect they wont, but you never know. If it did, it would likely also outperform the hornet in supermaneuvrability as well.
What is the rafales thrust to weight? I believe it is slightly higher than the hornet’s which gives it an edge in the energy fight provided loadout and fuel loads are similar.
Regardless i dont believe the fa18c is equal to the rafale, i did edit the original post to put the fa18c at 14.7 not 14.3 as i had unintentionally put it there and not at what i meant to: 14.7.
I’m aware of the potential strength of mid-altitude close range shots with MICA-EM.
I’m also aware of its tendency to switch targets, as well as the general flaws of radar missiles.
Hornet has 120 countermeasures total. Which if you 60:60 it, that’s the same amount of flares as OG Rafale, while having some chaff if you need it.
Rafales TWR is marginally higher.
Imo, Aircraft like the Sea Harrier FA2, Viggen DI, etc have performance equal to that of the top tier SARH slingers like the F-15A and Su-27. In fact, in some instance, maybe even weaker. There is 100% justification for them being the same BRs and are so far behind the top tier ARH slingers that they should never see them as well.
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Maybe 15.3 is the answer and have them at 14.0 🤔🤣
No, Its not needed to spread them out THAT much.
15.0 = Typhoon, Rafale, F-15C/F-15E, Su-30
14.7 = Su-27SM, F-18C, F-16C, Gripen C, J-10
14.3 = F-16A, Mirage 2Ks, J-11, Su-33, JF-17
14.0 = Mig-29SMT, Tornado F3 Late, F4F-iCE, F-14B, Su-34
13.7 = Sea Harrier FA2, VIggen DI, J8-F, F-15A, Su-27, Gripen A, F-14A, Mig-29G
13.3 = Mig-29, Yak-141, F-16A, Mirage 2ks
13.0 = Tornado F3, F4EJ Kai, Kurnass 2000
12.7 = JH-7A, Harrier Gr7, Tornado Gr4, Mirage 2K RMV,
12.3 = FGR2, F-4S, Mig-23MLD
etc etc
I think there is room to spread what you have at 14.7 out a little and push what you have at 14.3 and 14.0 down 0.3 BR. Actually decompress the ARH slingers at the same time.
Or alternatively. Just reduce the matchmaking brackets from +/- 1.0 to +/- 0.7. Fixes the matchmaking without any need of any decompress, because the biggest issues are almost always the extreme +/- 1.0 (I.e 13.0 vs 14.0, 12.0 vs 13.0, 11.7 vs 12.7, etc etc)
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Except at the lower jet BRs, specifically around 9.0 it’s a total train wreck right now. Take a gander at that be and fly a little and be amazed how somehow you have flareless subsonic aircraft fighting aim9Ls, aim9Ps, mig15s fighting aircraft that are 30 years newer in every aspect and perform as such. Me163s being put on maps that they can’t even reach the battlefield if they go above 20% throttle and as such are artificially limited to 300-400kmh with no chance to make it back to base. Etc…
Mistype for the f-16a? With only aim9Ls, and 60 countermeasures?
Yeah it is, because when they decompressed, they only did between 10.0 and what was 13.0. Below 10.0 didnt get touched. So the focus on decompression should really be 1.0-10.0 rather than whats happening at the very top tier. But purely looking at top tier, the areas that were actually decompressed, a reduction in MM bracket size would adress most issue imo
No, you have the F-16As with ARH like F-16A OCU in Japan. But it has notably less CMs than the F-16Cs
Gotcha, makes more sense
Well you can only decompress if you have room to do so, which has to go to the very top to do it properly. Hence why 13.0-15.0 isn’t drastically different in my idea, with only some minor spread. The real 1.0 magic trick occurs when it moves up most 10.0-11.3 aircraft and half of the 9.0-10.0 aircraft and spreads that out.
There’s just so many aircraft there I didn’t even try to start a list of it. I would need help making a spreadsheet to do so lol.
Just take everything between 10.0 and 14.0 and move it up by the amount needed to decompress below in a solid block.
perpertually decompressing 10.0-14.0 isnt going to make any differences at 9.0
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Sure but it’s still the perfect time to balance some stuff out and add a little buffer as well. Aim for the moon and land in the stars
At the moment, I just want them to aim for the moon and end up somewhere in orbit rather than stuck on the launch pad.
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Just gotta get the community to fuel the rocket
BR decompression isn’t new or neglected (By players) subject. Every month it’s brought up and it’s constantly ignored for fear of longer queue times and things like that. You say it needs talks and stuff. It is constantly talked about and rarely acknowledged unless it’s being declined stating it isn’t needed. Feel free to tag a CM and ask to see.
You can see when I started playing this game, I’m more aware than you 🤣 but we can’t give up.
i say 15.0 as max br and move all top tier there, then start decompressing from 12.7 to 15.0 where things are the most compressed atm, then start decompressing under there
Id say the most compressed BR is actually around 9.0. we have WW2 aircraft fighting super sonic aircraft with aim9ps, r60s, and other missiles of similar performance
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