You mean like me? Or Kizvy who just responded to you?
You cant do that, if you lock target at the last sec, the missile could be 1000m above him.
Not to forget you will lose all energy and speed when you do it like your saying
Easiest thing in the world to disprove
i don’t understand, what are you arguing
because it cannot guide via tws.
It only guides off intertial guidance when no hard lock.
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You clearly dont know the difference right ?
R27 have inertial guidence where it will fly to the last know position.
Data link is providing target position every 2 sec, depend on radar scan capabilities
He thinks R27ER can be fully guided to impact in TWS like a fox-3.
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i can see why he would get confused, but at the end of the day its still a fox 1. So a hard lock being required is still implied
The F-15A waffle stomps every single one of the jets you mentioned into the drain, directly.
I disagree with what you’re saying. This is a public forum. Hope this helps.
If the F-15A curb stomps ever single one of the jets I mentioned then you should be for the solution said. There is 0 reason for the F-15 to be without ARH going against 14.0 ARH missile slingers. The EASIEST fix is to change the BR based on the modifications. It’s simple and would fix it. Doesn’t have to face ARH until it has IRCCM, and doesn’t get to face 11.7 with IRCCM.
And again, if the ONLY THING going for it is the IRCCM as multiple people have said before, then every IRCCM carrying plane should be moved up in BR and every non IRCCM should get moved down.
You also completely ignored half of what was said before you came into it to just argue.
“You did not read what he said correctly.” No, I definetely did. He said he “cant think of a single reason why the F-15A would be all that different, or even at a different BR to that of the weak ARH aircraft like the Sea Harrier FA2 or F-14A.” The F-14A being at 12.7.
“None of these are good loadouts compared to 4x 9M and 4x 7M” 6 SARH+IOG+DL missiles vs F-15s non IOG+DL, something Russia has long before US has as well. If 6 SARH+IOG+DL missiles on a F-18 can’t beat a F-15 with 4 AIM-7Ms and 4 AIM-9Ms then the hornet just has a problem.
“F-18A is the CURRENT BEST (or 2nd best behind 2kCS4 if thats your preference) 12.3” Hence why it goes to 12.7 not 12.3, where it will still be facing 13.7 ARH slingers over 12.3 SARH users since again, over 90% of games are uptiers.
“Did you just try to say this is somehow comparable to 4x 9M (4x 9M is already a strictly superior loadout to 6x 9L alone) as WELL as getting 4 sparrows? On a better FM?” No. If you would read you would see I am simply stating loadouts at BRs it would face.
“So, not comparable, being that they are PHANTOMS with not even FULL ASPECT PD radars and don’t get irccm missiles?” Again, stating loadouts it would possibly face. And if you are getting close range to a F-15 in a F4 thats your own problem.
“Do not pretend like this is equivalent IRCCM or even in the same ballpark as an AIM-9M in effectiveness.” They are in fact better.
“You are straining so hard to find examples you cite a subsonic attacker that gets 2 r73.” 1 out of the 20+ planes I listed is def “straining” but again, listing planes at BRs.
“You actually listed the 530F LOL” Again, listing loadouts.
“Unrelated” that is entirely related.
“|Lmao, no. Not in any world.” again, read. Stock F-15 at 12.3. AIM-7Ms at 12.7. IRCCM at 13.0.
And yes this is a public forum, but at least read before posting. Hole this helps.
the thing is that this situation is not unique to the f-15 at 13.0.
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Never said it was. This topic is about the F-15A. Hence why the F-15A is what is being talked about.
I want decompression. I would be also ok for a well done dynamic system but gaijin won’t do it correctly. I see decompression as the easiest fix with the most impact
And the Sea Harrier being??
Does not make up for 4x 9M and 4x non IOG SARH
In counts of two at the BRs being talked about, and with HEAVY downsides besides
Idk whats hard for you to get here. The F-15’s loadout is superior. The F-15’s FM is superior. The hornet just has radar quality, which the F-15 is not lacking in.
Except its horrendously strong in comparison to a F-18A?
Numbers pulled from?
What’s the point then if all it does is showcase how strong the F-15’s loadout is in comparison to literally everything it would face at 12.0-12.7? On top of being, again, a much better jet in most other regards too
You don’t have a choice? The F-15 is both faster and more agile than you both by large margins?
The IRCCM is far weaker, especially for that exact type of usage the R-27T/ET are meant for, and they take R-27ER slots to do so. They only gain range but lose on flare resistance (massive for a missile that will have a long time from being fired to hitting to be flared)
No.
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From BR jumps due to canons replacing machineguns to one br step increases for upgrades in every single spec. Theres not one thing the junk is better at than the f-18a
cant wait to add the f15 to this br comparison soon. Harrier Gr7 vs F15 great great balance
Dropping 4 Irccm on one of the best airframes into a matchmaker where most planes are flying around without all aspect ir missiles or even true pd radar
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Blame Gaijin’s BR placements, not the vehicles limitations. The F-15A is still reasonably far to be a comfortable plane to actually enjoy in its current matchmaker.
Subpar to the newly buffed Su-27s, Gripen and toe to toe to the Mirage 4000. It is only better than the early ARH slingers at 13.0, as if that were a big advantage either, because, come on, if it didn’t have that, it basically should have dropped to 12.7 a long time ago.
Also, the F-16 OCU carries four Magic 2s and two AIM-9Ms while being quite nimbe on deck at 12.7.
Its not like the F-15As radar is a truly good PD radar either on range. If anything, gets solid locks and illuminations below 5km, above it is truly a cointoss and up to the radar’s mood if you’re able to connect anything.
And cherry on top, It’s not like you can’t connect SARH with PD HDN radars, they’re not as hopeless as you’re trying to make them out to be. The Tornado F.3 is quite decent at connecting Skyflash SuperTEMPs around 10km head on.
I think just because a vehicle doesn’t match the performance requisits of its br that it should go down.
The 12.0 matchmaker is spared by irccm missile spam luckily. Now that a popular platform moves down with 4 of them their effectiveness will skyrocket considering multiple planes have only 60 flares or less
You cant always be the best, for the sake of retaining a half balanced matchmaker below 13.0 the f15 needs to be sacrificed as it moves from underdog to best plane in 1 patch.
The TORNADO f3 or the tornado ids sle at 12.3? Their flight performance is so bad it doesnt really matter what kit they have. Its an offset for being a brick not a plane everyone has access to or wants to play.
Before we have fake pds on mig23s, phantoms and other airframes, often paired with either barely barely usable missiles (skyflash, 7e2) or lackluster IR segment (r60m, aim9g/h) or all of these things ontop of a 10.0 flight model.
These 12.0, 11.7 planes barely make do against the invasion of f16 and mig29 into their matchmaker with limited armaments.
The F-15A has never been the best nor even close to it. When 12.7 was added, many got moved up but the eagle remained at 12.3 and it was the only time it got close to perform good, as its simply not on par to the top 13.0 dogs. The radar is trash, and a reasonable part of its kit depends on a solid radar, to which the AN/APG-63 PSP is quite mediocre and straightup unrealiable beyond 5-10km.
There’s no thing as BR sacrifices lmfao, I’ve never heard such BS outside the F-15A case, stop with that deranged argument. There’s always compromises to be possibly made like removing the AIM-9Ms, or I don’t know, fixing its radar illumination?
But no, let’s “sacrifice” planes, but only the F-15A, okay? /s
br sacrifice just means a vehicle at an unfavorable br that could be downtiered due to being outmatched but not being downtiered because it would break the matchmaker.
See the Maus as the #1 example that was so bad to balance it was removed.
The f15a has never been the best but it will be by far the best when it moves to 12.7. Its unfortunate but if it moves down more vehicles become unplayable than are being enabled to be played.
Yes the aim9m should be removed
That was not a BR sacrifice, that was a straightup game development disaster. Don’t be suprised if the BMPT becomes unbalanceable just like the Maus and could potentially be removed in the future.
I’ve seen you have the F-15C Golden Eagle, so I invite you to test drive the F-15A and try launching sparrows to the roaming MiG-15s, notice how your missiles sometimes randomly just don’t go after their targets, no matter if you allegedly have solid locks, the AN/APG-63 PSP is simply not a reliable radar for SARH missiles that does not have IOG+DL.
The only way I see the F-15A becoming a menace at 12.7 would be for its IRCCM missiles, without them, it’ll be mostly a glorified phantom or even F-104 on its core playstyle.
idk where you saw that tbf
But apart from that there arent really that many airframes with all the strengths the f-15 has, even if its radar isnt as good, the 12.7 matchmaker plays in furballs and not on long range, simply because certain airframes cant be contested with inferior hardware