I don’t want to yap that much, but it’s not like there’s no planes that can compete on many of the alleged strengths the F-15A has on either 12.7 or below. Both F-16s and F/A-18s can definitely make a run for the F-15s money on turnfighting. Damn, I’ve tried it myself on both the F-16A and F/A-18A against F-15As.
Again, you’re judging a plane to which the 50% of its kit is being actively gimped by its radar.
A plane which does not have any recognizable playstyle that holds to its strengths its not a good plane. Any CC can tell you the F-15A can do every playstyle, but none will tell you it stands out from the rest at any playstyle in particular, and that’s where the plane becomes a nothing burger and overrated.
During my JAS39E grind I used my JAS39A with 2 skyflashes, works wonderful against arrogant players who thinks its a fox-2 missile can be simply dodge with couple flares.
Talismaned JAS39A with Skyflashes are so fun at 13.0, one thing mention as far as I know Skyflashes also should be compatible with BOL rails so most likely its Gaijin’s fault in this case.
While I do agree F-15’s have no business fighting 11.7’s, the reverse is also true - F-15’ also have no business sitting in permanent ARH hell (keep in mind that thanks to udertiered premiums current 13.3 IS 13.7 for all intents and purposes). Here are some stats I gathered while spading J-11 and playing some F-2 adtw (both are 13.0) for instance:
Would you enjoy that in the slightest?
Also, dont be delusional, “decompression is the answer” yeah rest assured we know that just as well as you do, but we arent getting 15.0 anytime soon regardless, whether you like it or not.
Why move just the F-15 down, and not the objectively worse Mig-29G or Harriers? Moving stuff down like this is just the start of recompression, and moving backwards.
lmao, the F-15A facing nearly full uptiers on a regular basis nowadays is plain delusional without HMS.
Its a plane which simply does not have any offensive comfort, its just becomes the art of permanent defense. Anyone who tries to make it sound like a fun jet to play on those conditions just plain deranged.
Both 29G and harriers have inferior airframes on turnfights (though the MiG-29 has on-par deck speed as the 15A), but they have on-par or even superior weapon systems on the Harriers’ case. On relatively advantageous terms, they can easily win over an F-15A.
Does the F-15A face uptiers more often than other aircraft at or around that BR?
Without HOBS weapons, does it matter that much? I’ve never really encounter much of an issue lacking HMD on similar ish aircraft like the Tornado F3 / F3 Late. ACM modes are more than enough for what little HOBS im doing.
Other than being quite fast for the BR and having an excellent defensive suite. Though how does it suffer more than other Fox1/2 aircraft at the same BR?
It is way more comfortable to just MB5 (in my case to lock over HMS instead of moving the whole radar with my keybinds and find the lock, easy 1 second gap between moving the mouse and locking with a mouse button compared to moving a radar scan.
Those planes must be played differently from the F-15A, it’s not a fair comparison in the slightest.
Nothing personal, but he just called @SPANISH_AVENGER a sort of Alvis by disagreeing over how strong Leopards are, and not only once but a decent couple times. I trust your own opinion way more than his while we’re disagreeing on this particular vehicle.
Meh, they don’t suffer nearly as much. I just hope they get rid of its 9Ms so this can just get through.
If Gaijin finally moves it to 12.7 without removing its IRCCM 9Ms and ends up sweeping 11.7 downtiers, I’ll be here to apologize, but I genuinely believe that its unlikely. Most of people who complains over the F-15A being potentially problematic at 12.7 either haven’t ever tried its radar or just glazes its FM to a point its just absurd, like when Ruskies glazed the first EFs FM while the mechanical Captor-M is still something to cope hard when grinding towards the AESA EFs.
The thing is though, some aircraft like say the Tornado GR4/SLE at 12.3 are at that BR due entirely to their 2x Aim-9M/Li. There is little to no other reason for them to be at that BR otherwise (Just look at the RET8) with the F-15A potentially being 12.7, only 0.3 above, with both 4x Aim-9M (assuming they dont get removed) and 4x SARH, it brings into question how that entire BR is meant to be balanced and quite frankly. It isnt. The compression is extreme. So the question is not just what chaos will the F-15A cause (let alone the F-15J) but can others move down based upon the exact same argument? Tornado GR4 was fun, but now I seem to only face Premium Su-30s in an uptier which is really really not fun. So a 12.0 BR would go a long way to helping it
And we’re back to square one, where from —let’s say—12.0 to 13.7/14.0 is pleading for decompression, something that even after 14.7 being added, seems unlikely from Gaijin’s end.
What makes the F-14A in 12.7 with Fox 3 though? Wouldn’t it be better than the F-15, especially in BVR? It probaly only worse in close range combat because the F-15 receive the Aim-9m.
Why not move it down to 12.3??? If it’s that bad… Like the F-18A is even better in CAS and even has an better heat-seeking missile and same fox 1. What you 2 think?
becasue this is way too strong for 12.3, a br where you usually have 3rd gen planes with limited access to sarh. The f-18 is too low because gaijin loves compression and making OP vehicles. The f18 should absolutely sit at 12.7 in the current matchmaker.
Where the f15 is going to sit soon making it even more compressed!
Why would any semi competent player even care about CAS loadouts in ARB? It should not affect aircraft’s br at all.
And as much as I hate the F-15 going down to 12.7 it won’t change much - considering how bad an average US main play it will be RP pinata for R-27 slingers anyway
The F-14 is 12.7 while the F-15A/J/Baz are 13.0 because the F-15s have better weapons across the board.
The F-18A is 12.3 because Gaijin hates the play- I mean, they made a small mistake when assigning its BR :)
Other than that, the F-14 is way better than every 12.0 and almost every 12.3. Despite the abysmal armament on the F-14A.
Really the F-18A should move up and the F-14A/B should both get a better IR missile and could move up by .3 each. (getting a better ACM mode for the F-14 would be really good as well, 6 miles is TERRIBLE, ATROCIOUS even, USELESS if you may)
So why did gaijin even bring it down? I know the F-15 is already an very good aircraft in it BR now it going even lower. So why is gaijin creating more problems now…?
