F15A in 12.7 BR

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So??? Have you looked at ANYTHING about this jet?

You did not read what he said correctly.

No, we won’t. Debunking below.

None of these are good loadouts compared to 4x 9M and 4x 7M, and thats completely disregarding the fact the F-15A curb stomps all of these jets in other aspects such as flight performance or avionics

Yes… on a HORNET and WITHOUT irccm missiles. MAJOR downgrade and the F-18A is the CURRENT BEST (or 2nd best behind 2kCS4 if thats your preference) 12.3 so how do you think the rest of 12.3 will perform?

Did you just try to say this is somehow comparable to 4x 9M (4x 9M is already a strictly superior loadout to 6x 9L alone) as WELL as getting 4 sparrows? On a better FM?

So, not comparable, being that they are PHANTOMS with not even FULL ASPECT PD radars and don’t get irccm missiles?

Sure… and they get a whopping 2 of them. In exchange for having 2 better radar missiles (compared to your 4 quite still usable AIM-7Ms, they lose EVERY OTHER ASPECT of their performance and are STRICTLY WORSE otherwise)

Do not pretend like this is equivalent IRCCM or even in the same ballpark as an AIM-9M in effectiveness.

You are straining so hard to find examples you cite a subsonic attacker that gets 2 r73.

You mean, 2 R-24R, no R-24Ts because you don’t have space, and 4 R-60M? On a way worse jet? Not comparable.

Both of these jets are strictly worse than the F-15A. In pretty much every regard. By large margins.

You say this like it gets them at the same time. This is btw, a worse loadout than what the F-15A gets and the F-16 OCU is already hailed as UNDERtiered.

So a strictly worse jet? At the same Br? Gotcha.

Again, citing attackers with only 2 irccm missiles at 0.3br lower.

You actually listed the 530F LOL

AND THIS

Do those planes have AN EFF FIFTEEN FLIGHT MODEL? What about an EFF FIFTEEN’s AVIONICS? How about THE QUANTITY OF MISSILES THE F-15 HAS?

Unrelated

Lmao, no. Not in any world.

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TWS? To use with their R-77s they don’t have? I’ll let them know!

Yes… it is one of the FEW things the MiG-29 has.

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No, they’re not. They are an upgrade yes. They should never, and I mean never, justify a BR increase over the 9M in the current state of the game’s compression.

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10 extra Gs on a HMSless plane and extra range due to less drag is quite the upgrade. That unless we begin downplaying the R-27 missile series extra 10Gs over the sparrows, the difference that makes them actually unoutrollable, and forces the adversary to either notch, escape or dive to MP, all of them carrying a net disadvantage.

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I mean the TWS does have some use with the r27ER as you can midcourse guide them and change targets

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Sure. Read:

Nobody ever cared about this to begin with. It has nothing to do with why the R-27 is better.

This is not why.

Either way, let’s assume it IS why. It STILL is a dumb comparison because AAM-3 never does anything that would cause it to still hit where a 9M wouldn’t besides extreme kinetic scenarios that do not occur often.

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You can’t guide R27s in TWS. You can just hold a soft lock while the missile is completely blind flying and reacquire the target when the R27 is close. You could do this without TWS too.

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Yes you can, you just need to drop the hard lock after the launch, the dl does update the guidance

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No, it doesn’t. The R27ER is not a Fox3. It cannot guide itself. It cannot receive updates without radar illumination. If what you said is true, you would be able to get R27ER kills without ever triggering the other person’s RWR because it would be getting guided by TWS alone.

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YES VS 13.0 with fox3 this is very disadvantageous. all have 7M are 12.7. when you play assault arcade and are a mig29 with the super speed. super turns. they toke all the kills. so i play realistic with the 7m vs fox3 is a very disadvanteng vs fox3

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It isnt guiding itself, the tws updates the ins, you just need to lock it again when it is close, like i said it is just mid course guidance, you can switch targets, so it is quite memeable as they those wont even get a launch warning

https://youtube.com/shorts/v-agXQXqHyc?si=lFL9BrYxvWL00WbE

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The video that you JUST linked me agrees with me, and not you. I suggest you watch it back. He acquired a HARD LOCK to make the r27 react again.

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Brother youre completely skiping over the mid course guidance part, which i said on the first mesage… did you even read?

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Which he did not use and says as such? The R-27 is going off the last known IOG of the target it was fired at before you dropped the hard lock. He SAYS as such in the video when he says quote “Notice how my R27 isnt tracking anything, its just cruising in the air”

The R27 is being fired in a hard lock, receiving data, being unlocked, flying for 20+ seconds on IOG mode (which is why its not flying ANYWHERE NEAR the target and instead just cruising at high altitude) and then being HARD LOCKED again when the R27 is near the target (The enemy’s RWR in the same clip you showed confirms everything I’ve been saying, it starts blaring again the second he hard locks to make the missile dive on him…) then impacting with a hard lock.

The ONLY thing datalink means for the R27ER is that it can be given NEW INSTRUCTIONS after a launch. It does not mean it can be talked to and guided on TWS like a fox-3, because it isn’t one.

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Dude, the ins/dl works exactly like on the fox 3, tws does update the ins…

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No, it doesn’t. Ask legitimately anybody else here who isn’t bad at the game. Even just wait for somebody to reply to you in this thread that isn’t me. You will be told the same thing.

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Yes it does, go back and ask anyone that actually does know to play the game…
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/QJLkl-7fkxs

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it only starts reguiding after hard lock. otherwise its flying off inertial guidance

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Not my point, you can drop the hard lock and guide them with the tws