i think the F15A should be moved to 12.7
the plane has no HMD, or TWS while for example the su33 which is also in 13.0 has both and most airplanes at this br have it, you only get aim7m and aim 9m but you are stuck with aim 9Ls before unlocking the 9m and most planes also have better Fox 1s and 2s or even get Fox3s like the F14 IRIAF which is unfair, the airframe is ok but it’s not the best even though you get an aoa button but overall i think it should be moved from 13.0 to 12.7 & under or get the Aim 120a like the F16 A ADF
They are threatening it with the next BR change and it is one of the worst decisions they have ever made, the only way it can move down is loosing the 9Ms.
If it does move down, then every single thing below it needs to move down as well.
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W rage bait
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while the F15 is in a less then optimal spot due to having no BVR capabilitys against ER and PL-12s and R77s it should not go down as it would be way too good what should be done is all 13.3s should be moved up to make space for SU33 and SU27 and F15A stays where it is with the less than optimal 13.0s like F14B
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That’s an extremely stupid idea.
The problem isn’t the F15A being 13.0, the problem is the aberrations like the SU30MKK and MK2 being 13.3.
the solution is decompression and no more recompression.
It’s not enough that the F-16A and F-18A are 12.3 and the early F-18C is 12.7 , you want to compress yet another American aircraft.
Ideally, the F16A would revert to 12.7, the F18A would receive two more AIM 7P/M pylons and become 12.7, and the F18C would receive 9M early and go to 13.0 along with the F15A.
We need decompression.
Have you ever thought about what would happen if we applied the same flawed logic to other aircraft like the Mirage 4K?
Imagine MiG-23MLA missiles encountering an aircraft carrying 8 Magic 2 missiles or 6 magic 2 + 2fox1
Again… We need decompression
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The Su-33/27 should have been moved up, not the F-15A moved down.
While it moving down will 100% worsen the compression, it is also true that I would much rather play pretty much any other 13.0 over early F-15’s.
Flankers? No brainer.
kfir c10/phantom KWS/AMRAAM tornado or harrier… ? Sure.
ADTW? 100%.
29G? Yeah that too.
moving the Fox1 only flankers to a br with only fox 3 slingers is a take of all time
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a plane with 4 good missiles and bad flight performance v.s a plane with 10 ok missiles and good flight performance doesn’t seem too problematic.
No.
Neither does half of 13.0 or almost any 12.7 besides the MiG29
This is not required for a non-fox3 jet.
The Su-33 is a better jet, yes.
not true
This does not matter or factor into BR placement.
- 9M is a strong IRCCM missile. Most other IRCCM missiles are sidegrades.
- AIM-54 is not stronger than your AIM-7 or AIM-9s. It’s a gimmick.
How well do you think 11.7-12.3 aircraft will do against an F-15?
Sure, but I’m also sure you’re smart enough to understand that compression is a never ending cycle all the way down to 1.0 if you choose to pursue it.
Start by instead saying what jets you’re even referring to besides the flankers
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The F-15A/J have better flight performance than every flanker variant in the game.
I wasn’t talking about the F-15A. I was talking about the Fox-3 slingers with poor flight performance like the AV-8B Plus.
The Flanker, not only having 12 missiles hardpoints, but also having some of the best Fox-2s and Fox-1s in the game, along with HMD, well warrants it being higher than the F-15A.
I see, fair.
The AV-8B+ isn’t as strong as a Su-27. Neither the Su-27 or AV-8B+ are anywhere near as strong as a SU30MKK or Su30mk2
Only on the SU-33 which has its own flaws separate from the base SU-27.
R-73s are a sidegrade to any other IRCCM missile. They are not “some of the best” IRCCM they are just “A” irccm missile.
Doesn’t matter much when facing Fox-3s unless you’re a su30sm2
I agree, if the game was decompressed and top BR was 16.0
The F15 is better than the Mirage 4K.
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Nope. 1 on 1, a good M4K user is perfectly capable to mog a good F-15A user. Better close range kit, and better dogfight performance, while having a relatively similar radar and worse fox 1.
As long as the Mirage 4000 doesn’t overextend or goes vertical on the first turn (the only strength the F-15A has over its peers, often useless due to crowded lobbies), it should really be an easy W.
While the ideal scenario would be decompression and not compression, the F-15A has always been gaslit as an equal to the Gripen, Su-27 and Mirage 4000 as a whole, while having a terrible radar coupled with a SARH that MUST have a decent radar to make it work beyond 5km.
And not only that, but its missile kit is 50% SARH missiles, so figures why the plane ends up being an underwhelming experience.
Without a decent radar+SARH kit, just remove its 9Ms and move it to 12.7, no one will still play it anyway, everyone with a nerve knows the F/A-18A is objectively better at that BR range and its radar is more than reliable to make 7Ms work.
How is it a worse plane than the Mig-29G? It has a much better radar, RWR, and flight performance, and the missile loadout is about equal.
It going down is even worse in sim, because it’s equivalents (su-27s) are 13.3, and it’ll just add more to the blue side domination of 11.7-13.7.
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Slower on deck, no HMS, no IOG+DL SARH missile. There’s a couple of disadvantages at the very least.
Yes, the 29G carries less missiles but boo hoo, the Gripen E is practically top tier while having several less missiles than its peers, missile count is not the only balancing consideration.
Hope it helps.