Severe cope and skill issue
Su-27 yes, MiG-29 absolutely not.
You do remember the M2000 winning vs the MiG-29 right? The M4000 wins vs the M2000 by a large margin and the Su just falls out of the sky in a 1v1
I could argue that the F-15 has a chance with the sparrow, but not a very big one, the F-16 loses in every aspect against the Mirage (missile count, CMs, FM and i believe radar, but not so sure), and suggesting the F-14 is laughable.
Make up your mind, because we’ve gone from “one of the worst flight performers” to “a good 13.0.”
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Nah not after the fm buff like a month ago that makes it an almost baby plane fm
Yup, everyone is still judging the Su-27 for his historical performance, not for like the buff it received like lit weeks ago which bumped the frame among the top 10 best turnfighters.
It’s the same cope tale about the MiG-29 being hopeless, but exponentially worse given the flanker is actually good, and like really good at turnfighting right now.
It got nerfed like a week after
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It was a nerf over a buff project.
It ended up being still a buff anyway. Some of the relevant 2.53.0.43 buffs were not even touched on 2.53.0.45.
The biggest part of the buff pretty much carried over even after this nerf here.
The rate was waaaaay off the charts with the first buff, it still is but not as much.
Anyway, the Flanker FM is very much enjoyable now, much more competitive than it was before.
it still doesn’t meet its lift charts rn even while overperforming which is super dumb. fixed flanker would essentially be worse in rate than it is rn (sustained a specific speed when turning), but with much better first turn ability + retaining more speed when pulling hard when losing speed
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Usual case of bug reporter saying “X” to the devs, devs understand “Y” and proceed to implement "Z"😭
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Why? there are plenty of planes with IRCCM at lower BRs
None that have 4x IRCCM + 4x SARH, a large defensive suite and a very good FM.
Unless you consider the F-15A equal to stuff like the Tornado GR4 or Mirage F1? or one of the sub-sonics?
Let alone the F-15J with the extremely potent AAM-3s
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You’re op stated the only way it would get moved down is by losing AIM-9Ms. There’s 0 point to have SARH only planes at anything past 12.7, heck even 12.3, since every 13.0/12.7 match is a full uptier almost every single time going against ARH slingers.
yeah f-15j going down is especially egregious, aam3s fix almost everything wrong with the 9m while also having the same irccm type.
40 gs (though the actual pull isn’t too much harder) but so much less drag + stronger motor
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Hu?
Yes, It should loose Aim-9M if it actually moves down to 12.7, it would at least nerf it somewhat, bring it more on par ish with the Mig-29s and F-18s.
But I cant think of a single justification for why 11.7s or even really 12.0s should have to deal with an F-15A. Let alone an F-15J
Yep, that thing is about to make playing 11.7 and maybe also 12.0, incredibly frustrating
If 11.7s and 12.0s shouldnt have to deal with a F15A then why do planes that only have SARH missiles have to deal with ARH missile slingers.
Your entire argument as to why it shouldn’t get moved down, being “well why do these things have to face it”, is the exact same argument supporting why it should get moved down. If the only thing going for it is AIM-9Ms, then it needs to be moved down since it goes against Fox 3 spam.
move the fox 3s up is an easy answer
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Why should aircraft like the Gripen A, F-16A and F-16A OCU with only IRCCM missiles have to deal with the F-15A with both IRCCM and SARH missiles? Let alone aircraft like the Netz with only IR Missiles at 12.7.
Your logic fails when you go the other way, though ultimately the issue is one of compression which creates an absolute mess at the moment and the solution is to move a lot of stuff up, instead of down. But even then, I cant think of a single reason why the F-15A would be all that different, or even at a different BR to that of the weak ARH aircraft like the Sea Harrier FA2 or F-14A.
Because the worst ARH carriers are roughly on par or worse than the best SARH/IR only aircraft. I doubt the F-15A is worse than the Sea Harrier FA2, or even the J-8F.
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AFAIK, the Swedish Gripen A is able to carry SARH missiles.
And again, if the F-15A is so much of a menace with its so feared IR IRCCM + SARH combo —albeit missing the radar situation entirely—, then push for its 9Ms to be removed.
I genuinely doubt anyone would make an argument about it, 9Ms IRCCM only works against false positive flaring people. Anyone aware of a 9M being launched at, most of the time, is able to easily flare it anyway.