There’s kind of a gulf of a difference between flareless planes fighting Fox-2 missiles with short ranges and that often can be defeated by rocket pod “flares”, and getting slapped by a missile racing in at mach 3+ launched by a spec on the horizon. You can play around the former but the later is a sick joke. There’s room to maneuver around Fox-2 ranges even if you lack flares. RWR-less planes need to simply abstain from queuing up or try to multipath 300% of the time.
Tbf its not the F-14s problem that the J35XS has no RWR at 11.3. The J35XS shouldn’t even be 11.3 to begin with, its a massive oversight by Gaijin.
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^^ that
You wanna know an even bigger oversight? How the F-16AJ is the same BR as the F-15A/J. The F-15s are infinitely better.
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There’s alot more room to maneuver on a Phoenix; they are launched on probably around the 40km mark and are really slow to get to their top speed. I think a Sabre seeing a Aim 9L or G or J is hilarious then going like the “well you can maneuver” And typically the “spec” you can literally see the con trails from not only the F14s launching but the phoenixes…that is like some victim blaming with goal post moving. Like I get what you are saying but we don’t live in a perfect ecosystem. Like if this was a “the J35XS and other jets shouldn’t be at this BR XYZ because of power creep” I will whole heartedly agree…but their idea is to kick a Jet out of BR and put it literally in the same position as those jets are facing.
Like people have to deal yes at 11.3 it is a BR where you might be paired up with adversaries that may out class you, every nation at every BR gets this way be it ground or air, shit I play the Type 74s and they feel good but if you are trying to use the same BR lineup you go fight vehicles that are alot better than you in terms of ammo, armor and sometimes mobility and get thermals. Its just life is; They will move F14As to 12.7, then all F14 enjoyers will get slapped by AIM120s then the cycle continues that either F14 players complain because they are in a radar game they have no actual agency over when you could play the F15A or F16 to have either a good dogfighter or have good SARHs. The F14 is literally a gimmick and people that enter that BR range that spend most of their time getting to the middle watching cocomelon will think its BS.
cohesion. In warthunder.
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Are you just new to the game or have you not noticed that 99% of players “fly left” in a big blob?
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its funny because people will complain about everything, the whole point of the F-14 is to fire beyond the horizon hence BVR, but people dont like that, so then people believe something needs to be nerfed, because its somewhat decent at the job it was meant to do. they complain because they want an easier time. and to clarify the F-14’s Pheonix’s are only Decent. Both the variants of the Pheonix have stats that it can’t really reach. Things like extremely high drag, lower than real life max g turn, being extremely sluggish off the rails, the lack of a low vis trail from the 54C’s, and more.
Which reminds me of this:
“like a prophet” I foresaw a problem that was completely obvious, but at first it wasn’t obvious enough to gaijin.
and at the time I wasn’t even counting it as a fakour buff…
look how fun it is 11.3-12.3 now…
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If aircraft at 13.0 like the F-15, Mirage 4000 and etc reliably got downtiers against the F-14 event plane spam, it’d be more managable.
There was a period of about a week where that happened, and I farmed many many many fakour 90 spammers. The terrible AWG-9 can be notched without losing lock on the F-14, so I don’t even need to deal with their missiles going for me. I’ll disappear off their radar and the missile goes stupid, but still guide my missiles to them.
Even then, it’s literally just the Fakour 90 that makes them good. Turns out a missile that accelerates super fast is insanely strong.
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better to ruin a plane than an entire br
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