The Aim-54 Phoenix doesn’t have a sustainer. You mean the Fakour-90.
Well yes, you are correct, but any such scenario is player dependent and thus needs to be looked on case by case basis.
It is entirely possible that both Tomcat and the enemy can make fatal mistakes which will be exploited by the other player. It is entirely possible that both players will be unable to execute defensinve manuever properly.
Ive said this in one of my previous comments in different thread - player skill needs to be removed from any such discussion, since “X plane wins as long as it does Y” is nice, but not always will X plane be in position where it can do Y. You would wipe the floor with me in 1v1 scenario even if you were flying something like MiG-21bis and I was flying F-16A. But that wouldnt make the MiG-21bis just as good as F-16A, no?
Whats worse, this is entirely 1v1 comparison, which completly overlooks the other 15 players in the Tomcat team and other 15 players in the enemy team.
Which brings me back to one of my earlier points - and that is to look at global data. And going off by the december 2025 data, every Tomcat (even the 12.7 one) has better KD than, say F-15A. And IRIAF has better KD than F-15C MSIP.
huh. No I meant phoenixes but now that I am looking at the missile datasheet, youre right.
You can do only r27r and it would be fine at 12.3, r-60m only is a death sentence
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If they just add the AIM-7P to the F-14B it would be much better.
F-16A also just get demolished in an uptier when they’re fighting against ARHs, additionally you can argue, that even the MiG-23 has a better kit, which dosnt get assblasted by Su-33’s.
- The only thing MiG-21’s at 11.0 have over their lower BR counterpart are CMs.
Which actually leaves you with 2 options, you can either call it a day or move them aswell.
So you dont want to sort planes by performance in this individual instance, but instead by role?
This is literally what I meant with, you just wanna decompress for the sake of it.
That question was already answered
Its not anectdotal, if everyone who actually flies the plane will tell you the same.
You are free to try and get Multikills from 40+ km’s if you think thats so feasible.
But it only happens if the Enemy is purposefully helping you. i.e. flying in formation or smth like that.
Or… Idk, maybe im not just flying sideways spamming all my chaff out?
Then lets work with it:
According to the December stats the F15A and F14A only differ by 0.2 in terms of Kills Per Spawn, with the F-14 being around 0.8 Kills per Spawn. Which is a negative Value.
Its (already sinking) K/D, can therefor only be due to freak games skewing the data, where some people get 10 kills or the like.
The only F-14 that actually gets at least 1 Kill per game is the IRIAF.
Even the 12.0 Viggen is supposedly better than the F14’s, when going by those stats.
Are we supposed to move that Viggen higher than the F15A now, or what is it supposed to tell us, if we’re not allowed to compress?
Another piece of Evidence that compression is just a boogie-word at this point.
Now I think you must be trolling.
Your first chart dosnt actually tell us again the important information
Your second chart literally supports the same argument I made, that the Viggen is too slow to be competitive at climbing.
Regardless, I dont think anyone really needs to see a direct performance comparison between the Aim-7 and the Aim-120A. The Aim-120 has more range, like duh.
The interesting part is, that the Aim-7 launched from an F15 can be just as fast as the Aim-120 launched from the Viggen, for the first 12Km or so.
So given the F-15 is better at positioning it’ll have an advantage in BVR.
Quotes usually happen within quotation marks.
And Idk whats supposed to be so mind boggling about a faster plane being able to capitalize more on its missiles.
The Viggen is notorious for being slow and your previous test already showed that the aim-120a is awfull without any initial velocity.
I think the question should’ve been instead “what is going sideways”.
Or maybe they were just not fully notching?
Its kinda besides the point anyway, that the Phoenix family is the only air-to-air missile with an HDN radar (afaik)
Even if the target turns back into the beam, most of the times the missile will not recognize them anymore.
The Phoenix will roughly double its flight time per 10kms launched above 30kms.
You dont wanna have to guide in the missile for 80 seconds or more, you would want to keep that time as low as possible.
That still makes you fly relatively towards the target, aswell as the rest of the enemy team.
And while you’re cranking, the Target Aircraft won’t even need to do much to get into the bad angle of the HDN.
45° turns on their end would already suffice on most maps to throw both the F14 and the Phoenix’ radar off.
If we were talking about the Fakour-90, then yeah, you can easily guide your missiles in with those extra 20km range, without risking your life, or that the missile will just be a glorified rock on arrival.
But the Phoenix isnt that forgiving.
only in BVR, merge happens and anything that isnt gripen dies by F-16A firmly implanting a 20mm burst into the enemy pilots cranium.
yeah and move them where from 11.0? Down to 10.7? So now can Hunter F.6 meet MiG-21bis? Oh I know why dont we move the Hunter F.6 down as well…are you seeing the issue with compresion?
Where is the line at which this compression stops? As soon as you start moving 1.3 planes down to 1.0? Or trying to move reserves even lower?
At one point, youre going to run out of BRs if all you do is move stuff down.
Im sorry but how do you get that I dont want to sort planes by performance by saying that Typhoon and AESA Typhoon shouldnt sit at the same BR due to AESA Typhoon having much better radar?
How do you get I want to sort the plane by their role when im clearly talking about difference in capabilities???
Thats ad populum fallacy.
If you fail to notch properly its rarely issue of the aircraft.
That is unreliable statistic tho.
If I play three games, get 5 kills 0 deaths in the first one, im sitting at KD of 5; but if my next two games are full uptiers where I only get assist/manage to surive with 0 kills 0 deaths, my kill per spawn is now much lower, even if I did nothing wrong (surviving in inferior aircraft) and im still sitting at KD of 5.
Thast completly baseless assumption to which you have zero evidence.
That your assumption is either imperfect, or based on wrong interpretation of the data.
What evidence? Im questioning your intent behind your call for compression, because theres numerous thing with that at elementary level; ones you ignore either unintetionally or intentionally.
And if intentionally I have nothing more to say to you.
How am I trolling?
Gripen A will never do BVR with Skyflashes at 13.0.
Thats the fact.
Skyflashes arent 7M equivalents. They are 7E-2 equivalent.
Thats why F-15A is different. Because the 7Ms actually have performance to do BVR at 13.0. Not great, but its proped up by F-15As FM.
If F-15A going 1447km/h fires both Skyflash (DF) and 7M, Skyflash will reach 17km by the time the onboard battery gives out; whereas 7M will reach 24km in that same time window.
Obviously plane with better FM will have advantage in positioning. Nonetheless Vigen can just fire AMRAAM towards F-15A and then start defending. F-15A now has to either lose the missile and start defending as well, or commit to guiding the Sparrow and risk eating AMRAAM into the face.
As I was flying out the F-15A recently, and im not doing terribly, I can safely say that commiting to guiding Sparrow in such scenario leads to death in 99% of the cases.
Sorry, but thats complete fabulation on your part. Phoenix seeker is CW. If you were to say that Phoenix seeker is CW whereas AMRAAMs is PD you would be correct, but Phoenix seeker certainly isnt HDN.
If anything CW gives them slight advantage against notching target while making them more susceptible to chaff at certain angles and velocities.
You do realize AMRAAMs have the exact same issue?
AN/AWG-9 has horizontal limit of 130°, it means it can scan or track targets located up to 75° to either side of the Tomcat. And 75° is much closer to 90° than it is to 0°.
Even if you take 5° reserve, youre tracking the target at 70° angle.
I made my opinion in new BR change now.